Too sexy for my Burka

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We could begin with making wanting Sharia Law a thought crime.

Nuns agreed to wear veils as part of becoming a monastic. Most Muslim women don't have a choice unless they want to be shunned, be a victim of community-sanctioned rape, or be murdered in an "honor killing."

I just showed you unless you're trying to figure out how it was looked back then or where it derived from.

Monks also cover themselves, or used to at least.

Some of the American-born Somali girls aren't required to wear such uniforms though. Some.

The act of modesty is incumbent on Muslims.

If you are referring to me, then no. Hijab means veil as in curtain.

Verse 33:058 uses Khimar instead of Hijab. Khimar could be seen in the image that Khan posted. Today however, khimar is assumed to be hijab.

No, wrong. Such incidents occur once in a blue moon. Many Muslim women don't wear a hijab. Most women in my family don't wear one. No woman in my family has been shunned, raped, or murdered. Btw, rape in Islam = attack on Allah & the prophet. It's one of the worst sins. It's very easy to claim that these incidents are common in Muslim countries, when recently in Texas, hundreds of young children were forced to get married to Mormons of a breakaway church and were sexually abused . Face it, sexual abuse cases are extremely high in western countries, that's an undeniable fact. Murder too.

The only countries that enforce hijab by law are Saudi Arabia and Iran. In Saudi Arabia, lashes are given as punishment, in Iran, most women get off with a warning for the first offence, and fined for a second offence.

Them damn women!!

Why do they cause so much trouble for everybody around the world with with their clothing?

The opposite is being without clothing...

Yes....one term that comes to mind is oxymoron.

Men are psychologically vulnerable, and there are many "date rape" situations in which the male is as much a victim as his partner. It is nonsense to assume that you have to lay your hands on a person in order to violate him or her. It's a murky issue, but it is one that needs to be addressed. I am very tired of living in society in which men are made out to be either ogres or morons. Misandry is every bit as evil as misogyny.

Furthermore, I am sickened that some nonexistent "glass ceiling" is held responsible for men's advantages in such fields as engineering. We don't purposely exclude women from entering the field, but every single time the subject comes up, I hear so-called "feminists" whining and moaning about the "glass ceiling." I sympathize with their cause where it is meaningful, but it is both ridiculous and reprehensible to blame some conspiracy on something that is more than likely rooted in biology. Should I blame feminists for the greater prevalence of autism in males? Frankly, I think that modern Western feminists are a bunch of ignorant bitties who want to hold some made-up conspiracy responsible for every pissy problem in their entire lives. Rest assured, I support their cause whole-heartedly, but I find them embarrassing.

Once again, though, problems related to sexual and social misconduct are best remedied by relatively rigid egalitarianism. It is time-tested, and it has become one of our most important sociological tools. Unfortunately, social conservatives are too stupid to realize the true importance of this tool.

Nonsense. Countries in which women are encouraged to behave with sexual independence are notorious for having very low crime rates and very low rates of rape and sexual abuse. The burqa may be useful if its design had this end in mind, but it will never be useful as long as it is enforced by men. If women are concealing their sexual features in order to prevent men from perceiving them as sex objects, then it must not be used as a symbol of sexual submission. It must be initiated and supported by the women themselves for its intent to be fulfilled. It must be used as a symbol of independence if it is to succeed.

The US is actually a relatively conservative country. Furthermore, women are still treated very much as sex objects in American culture. Statistically, though, more socially liberal states in the US have much lower crime rates in spite of urbanization usually resulting in elevated crime rates. Furthermore, sexual attitudes in the Scandinavian countries actually hold independent-minded women to be highly attractive, and these countries have very low rates of crime, drug abuse, and rape. It works. It's just underappreciated or misunderstood in the US.

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_fo ... per-capita

Egalitarianism is a method of maintaining moral order, not an encouragement for people to go about behaving willy-nilly as they please. It is one of the more strict aspects of liberalism, and it will never be appreciated in a society that is at heart morally depraved.

Furthermore, egalitarianism, which is the more moralistic aspect of liberalism, is heavily ridiculed and quite hated in the US. It is slurred as "political correctness," and denunciations of it are very popular in political slogans. This needs to change. We can't just feed heavily on the more "liberating" aspects of liberalism and expect it to make our society wonderful and pretty. We need to run a tighter ship.

India still practices the sodomy laws imposed upon them during British colonialism, and they are hardly an egalitarian country. To this day, they haven't truly broken from their history of casteism. Sorry, but you can't just cherry-pick the worst examples of Western Democracy and hold them up against the better countries in which the hijab is practiced. If you cannot hold a straightforward discussion, do not bother me. I do not have patience for the tedious blindness of a human being who has sold his soul for his misguided beliefs.

Treating the symptoms just doesn't work. A change in attitudes is required. Men must embrace practical and independent-minded women. It is a modern reflection of the Puritanical affection for chastity and simplicity. In a way, it is the true fulfillment of what the Puritans wanted. I see the intentions of my ancestors fulfilled in many, though perhaps not all, aspects of modern liberalism, and I feel it honors their legacy.

Taboo only creates a source of sexual excitement in breaking it, and so does sexist "submission" and societal obsession with "gender roles." Women who are only good for behaving as sex objects have no place in modern society, whether they cover themselves with expensive make-up or dark bedsheets.

The hijab would ONLY be useful if it were used by Muslim women as an expression of sexual and, most importantly, social independence. For it to work, it must become associated with female literacy and education. It must become associated with a Muslim feminist movement. Otherwise, it will fail. Worse, it could defeat its own purpose. Until the Muslims have realized this, they also will fail.

Do you realize what I am getting at, or am I talking to a person who is not constrained or inhibited by logic or reason? A burqa that is used as bondage gear does not create a case for Allah. Don't you understand? Can you understand? I have not once denounced the use that you suggest for the burqa. It is an honorable intention. I respect it. It is not the burqa I object to but more the burqa as what amounts to a perverse and repugnant sexual fetish.

Perhaps one day you will understand why atheists are one of the most well-behaved groups in Western society: we are constrained by logic and reason as the religiously affiliated are constrained by encoded morals. We see faith as a deadly temptation. Similarly, liberals are constrained by the ideals of sensitivity and social equality, yet both liberals and atheists are dismissed as morally libertine in the face of contradictory evidence. We cannot survive if we are blind to one another's motivations for what we do and what we believe. I urge you to seek a deeper comprehension for the philosophies of others. Perhaps this will enable me to do the same, and we can live in the peace and mutual friendship envisioned in Isaiah.

Men enforce it only in the KSA and Iran. Only these two countries. In countries with high illiteracy like Pakistan and India, many Muslim men force their women to wear the hijab, but they make up a minority. The hijab is basically very common in and around the Arabian peninsula, it gets rarer the further away from Mecca. I'd like to point out that there are many Muslim feminists, particularly in the west, and most of them wear the hijab. I find it very strange, outside traditional Arabia and Iran, cacausian converts wear the hijab more than Muslims. I don't think any Muslim views it as a symbol of sexual submission. Iirc, Condoleeza Rice, just a little after the start of the Iraq war, met a group of women in the KSA, and said that it is her hope that America can help in liberating them, to which she got angry replies. To make it clear, they just meant "please don't screw around with our religion". Seriously, we're not forcing your women to wear the hijab. Why must you all force our women to not wear theirs?





I have taken India as an example as I live here, I'm not comparing it to a western democracy. This topic has nothing to do with any politics. Sure, casteism is a problem in the rural areas, a big problem, but that has nothing to do with the topic. Muslims are a minority here. We make 15% of the population. The Hijab is worn by less than 15% of Muslim women here. The saree is the most popular dress for women, which reveals many parts of the body.




I would like to make it clear, premarital sex is a very big sin in Islam. We believe that sex must be limited inside the institution called marriage, and that a woman must look beautiful only for her husband and nobody else (and vice-versa, thus Muslim men are encouraged to grow beards). Lol, you typed this as if all Muslims are a bunch of uneducated village folk. I'd like to point out that in the hijabi areas, ie, the Arabian peninsula, most of these countries are well developed countries with high literacy rates, and a high standard of living. How can you say that the hijab will ever fail when your own people are converting and wearing it?

I don't really know why you think the burqa is a sexual fetish. Its purpose is completely the opposite of that.

Dude, I'm a former atheist. I know many atheists. Some good, some bad. Just like every other community. There's no difference whether you're atheist or Muslim or Christian or Jew etc. There are good things and bad things about everyone. To say that my religious beliefs are misguided and that you're well-behaved is rather hypocritical of you. A well behaved person won't insult another person while arguing against their views.

Ive said it before, and I'll say it again: I certainly DO NOT think that muslim women should be required to cover their faces with veils........however I really dont think its such a terrible thing that they're not allowed to show off their bodies in public. Furthermore, I honestly think that that in the interest of fairness Men should not be allowed to expose their bodies either!
I would have NO problem with it personally and AFAIC muslim men are NOT allowed to expose their arms, chests, legs or feet.
So not allowing Anyone to show anything more than their hands and faces in public and in front of strangers of the opposite sex I strongly believe would eliminate all this needless sexual tension and sexual harassment.

The best way to change mens attitudes is to see women in a Non-sexual presentation which is exactly what loose-fitting clothes than conceal the shape of womens bodies are desigend to do. As for the last sentence, does that mean that stripping should be banned as well as prostitution?