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The well known saying "No good deed goes unpunished" is firmly founded.

Yes, it's difficult to be altruistic toward people with whom you have no contact.

It's well-founded in cynicism and unhappiness, but not necessarily true.

Nor the other "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."?
I imagine Jesus Christ and Karl Marx might have quite a lot to discuss on the subject.

You're comparing Karl Marx to Jesus Christ? You make interesting choices.

Not interesting. Obvious. Old Karl saw well the miseries of the common people at the time and he earnestly tried to devise a system to remedy it. Don't blame Lenin and Stalin on him. And Christ, of course, also had some fairly decent ideas for humanity to twist into the most outrageous knots.

I have not meant that and the sarcasm is unnecessary.

Did Karl Marx die on the cross for the sins of mankind? Did Stalin or Lenin do that? Did any of these humanists heal the sick, the lame, raise the dead, cast out demons? No. And once they died, they simply died. These humanists did nothing remarkable.

I agree with the above statement. There is always a danger of good ideals being misapplied. But could you imagine this world had there been no Martin Luther King Jr., no Mahatma Gandhi, no reformers, no one trying to make the world a better place? Slavery and inequality would be acceptable. Even altruism toward similar people with like goals and characteristics improves the world overall. Usually.

Well, while we know that Karl Marx is a real person who has indeed lived among us we have every reason to doubt that the tales of Jesus resemble anything that would come close to real historical facts. While you have of course every right to follow your own religion and convictions the same right applies to others and so you cannot expect or require anyone to share your ideas.

Since God is literally omnipotent and not even limited by neither space nor time I find it highly disturbing that he has chosen to make his son die for the sins of mankind. I must say it is kind of progress, at other times God had chosen to erradicate humanity by flooding or fire. I also cannot see the value of this sacrifice, since Jesus possessed the ability to raise from the dead it makes no difference whether he has died at all, one time or even multiple times.

I do have a problem blaming real people for not working miracles. I might remind everyone that Jesus has not healed all the sick or the lame for all time. I might also add that modern medical researchers are working to find cures and medication that helps thousand and millions of people. So I might be forgiven that I prefer real people and their abilities to the magical abilities of a mystical figure whose abilities have been derived from real omnipotence. Quite the contrary: Given the fact that God's powers are infinite the actions of Jesus, while being remarkable compared to us mere mortals, must appear extremely limited.

I cannot agree to compare Karl Marx with Lenin or Stalin. While I am no believer in his ideas he neither lead people to revolutions or masacres nor was he working to increase his and his' followers political powers.

lol all Jesus has ever done for mankind is get a lot of innocent people killed
jesus didn't do anything
all you have is a book
I could write a book saying Stalin-or someone else
and in a few hundred years someone would assume he was god too

To be precise, accepting your rather doubtful but generally accepted concept that Jesus died to save mankind from its sins, how has it worked out. Do you see any less sinning around than before. Evidently God and his son don't know very much about their successful business.

The Passion of Christ was not meant to re-arrange human nature as to eradicate sinful ways. What the Passion realy signified was the open invitation from God to all mankind, an invitation to be with Him in heaven and to be rescued from eternal damnation. Naturally, mankind was not instantly converted into sinless beings after the Pentecost.

Maybe you should crack open the Bible if this debate is to go any further.

well, Marx was an idealist, for someone who doesn't believe in the divinity of Jesus, he would be seen as an idealist, so the comparison would not be that out of place, in that point of view.

Did Christ die on the cross for mankind or because the Romans found him a nuisance? Did religions heal the sick, the lame, raise the dead, cast out demons, or do they merely have a continuous PR campaign that they did? Do ambulances rush people who are sick or injured or convinced they are possessed to churches to be cured or are more secular places more popular- Please get real.

that sh***y movie?

lol I don't want god near me