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16 Sep 2008, 3:52 pm

Christians believe in the supernatural and yet they STILL havent come up with a test for nonbelievers that gives reproduceable positive results! TBPH, there is only ONE way to make me believe in God and is for God to contact me DIRECTLY.
As for the claim that the universe came out of Nothing.....NOTHING is known about what existed before the Universe and where the almighty singularity came from! So you can manufacture an explantion that a supernatural being is responsible but until the above conditions are met there is no way to confirm this Beyond A Reasonable Doubt.



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16 Sep 2008, 3:56 pm

Haliphron wrote:
Christians believe in the supernatural and yet they STILL havent come up with a test for nonbelievers that gives reproduceable positive results! TBPH, there is only ONE way to make me believe in God and is for God to contact me DIRECTLY.
As for the claim that the universe came out of Nothing.....NOTHING is known about what existed before the Universe and where the almighty singularity came from! So you can manufacture an explantion that a supernatural being is responsible but until the above conditions are met there is no way to confirm this Beyond A Reasonable Doubt.


yeah, we have no way to know what happened before the "bang"

i'd venture to say there was something.


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16 Sep 2008, 4:02 pm

Haliphron wrote:
Christians believe in the supernatural and yet they STILL havent come up with a test for nonbelievers that gives reproduceable positive results! TBPH, there is only ONE way to make me believe in God and is for God to contact me DIRECTLY.
As for the claim that the universe came out of Nothing.....NOTHING is known about what existed before the Universe and where the almighty singularity came from! So you can manufacture an explantion that a supernatural being is responsible but until the above conditions are met there is no way to confirm this Beyond A Reasonable Doubt.


well according to the bible, God chooses who gets saved.. he hardens the heart of many.. why would he do that?.. who knows.



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17 Sep 2008, 11:22 pm

Nup...
I don't get it.

I cannot assign a definition to the word 'god', nor see a point in doing so.

I don't understand why people subsume their gnosis in others.

Religeous texts leave me baffled.
The bible in particular

In the beginning was the word..
cute... meme as origin.

My favourite paradox... "God created man in his own image"
I cannot imagine anyone satisfactorily explaining that one to me.



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17 Sep 2008, 11:25 pm

Carbonhalo wrote:
My favourite paradox... "God created man in his own image"
I cannot imagine anyone satisfactorily explaining that one to me.


"For God created man to be Immortal . .

And made him to be an Image of his own Eternity."

Wisdom 2:23 (Apocryphia)

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18 Sep 2008, 5:30 pm

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My favourite paradox... "God created man in his own image"
I cannot imagine anyone satisfactorily explaining that one to me.


The bible is a think piece.. I do not think that it is pure literary text.. Besides.. I like the dream concept. Thoughts are powerful, and God creates with his thoughts.. his word is actually a thought. It would be neat to think that we are just thoughts inside of his head. It would explain a lot. a hell of a lot.. but then how can you justify it..? you can't. You can't apply logic to what god is. God is a spiritual force, that is certain. :chin:



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18 Sep 2008, 9:05 pm

Carbonhalo wrote:
"God created man in his own image"

The question is, which man?


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18 Sep 2008, 9:13 pm

Whether you like it or not, God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence(?) Inalienable rights are not gauranteed by man and gauranteed by God or a higher power.

What man creates, man can take away. Inalienable rights are rights that cannot be taken away or changed.



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18 Sep 2008, 9:41 pm

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Whether you like it or not, God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence(?) Inalienable rights are not gauranteed by man and gauranteed by God or a higher power.

What man creates, man can take away. Inalienable rights are rights that cannot be taken away or changed.


It says that? really?..


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18 Sep 2008, 9:52 pm

It's more of an implied thing.

Also, my ultra-conservative uncle always preached that to me.



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20 Sep 2008, 4:22 am

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yeah, we have no way to know what happened before the "bang"
i'd venture to say there was something


"Before" time and space, would have to be indifferentiated, no? There would be no difference in spacial or temporal extension between two objects, so there couldn't even be two separate objects. What do you think?


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20 Sep 2008, 4:57 pm

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ARRRGH how I hate this simplistic garbage, in this day and age are we really still replacing 'I dont know' with 'God'.

Just one question, if the big bang theory (and I admit that I have trouble getting my head around it) is so implausible because something comes from nothing, please someone that agrees with this presentation explain where god came from. And no, in the context of this presentation he has always been will not cut it.


My reasoning is.. first.. I would drop the symbolism..

Then we can think in terms of energy.. rather than God..

That energy has always existed,.

I find the two are interchangable.


To speak in comparisons..

At night.. while sleeping.. we become unconscious..

Metaphorically speaking.. we slip into neutral gear.

A state of paradox.. we exist.. as a physical presence.. and yet while unconscious.. our experience is.. we don’t exist at all.

All conscious information ceases.. that is.. until we begin dreaming.

It’s like a mini “death” state.. we go though every night.


The same can be said for energy,

When.. it is in “neutral gear”.. its energy is potential.. and in this sense.. we can say… it doesn’t exist..

In the same way as we experience "not existing".. while unconscious.

Yet the potential does exist.. in both cases.

Now.. if we make a switch.. and call energy…. “God”.. again.

Then we have.. That which has always existed.. and always will.. which is an idea.. represented by a symbol.

So.. there is nothing to be created..

Nor anything which can be destroyed.

Just a paradox… something that both exists… yet doesn’t.

Anyway.. that's how I go about understanding it..:-)

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C.S Lewis

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20 Sep 2008, 11:43 pm

Energy and thoughts are most important to understand God. He is thinking of us right now! And our energy is a result of our connection with him.



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21 Sep 2008, 12:24 am

That's not God, that's a guy from Star Trek you f*****g failure at life :lol: :lmao:



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