Sling
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17 Sep 2008, 6:03 am
I'm only against uneccessary abortions. Like women who claim they're "not ready" and "unwanted pregnancies" and so on. I agree that in some cases abortions are sadly neccessary, but that abortions should be limited to neccessary reasons.
I am totally against abortion on a healthy foetus. People use the the argument that it doesn't have a brain in the first trimester but that doesn't change the fact that you're halting the embryological developmental process that would have led to it developing a brain and later on life. Abortion is murder in my eyes if either the foetus is healthy and/or it is being aborted for no apparant reason.
I think that pro-lifers and pro-choicers are both wrong and are simply engaging in a profitless battle instead of trying to hold reasoned debates. Whilst they are some stupid/ignorant pro-lifers they are stupid/ignorant pro-choicers. This is true of every ideology. There are generally stupid people who jump the gun and rush in without stopping to actually read into anything regarding said ideology/viewpoint.
I must say, I don't think that I've ever seen anybody stupid enough to compare Abortion to the Holocaust or Genocide. All I have to say is: ... 
Anyway, MissPickwickian, I agree with your points and I respect your opinion.
17 Sep 2008, 6:28 am
Anyway, MissPickwickian, I agree with your points and I respect your opinion.
1. go to cafepress.com and search "I am a survivor of the American Holocaust" or "abortion+genocide." You will be appalled.
Also, at an evangelical festival held on the ANNIVERSARY OF THE INFAMOUS "CRYSTAL NIGHT" WINDOW-SMASHING RIOTS OF 1938, Jerry Falwell (this was a few years ago) said, "[Abortion] is the worst Holocaust to come out of any nation since the dawn of time." During the Bosnia crisis of the '90s, pro-lifers carried signs that said "stop the REAL genocide."
2. Thankee
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17 Sep 2008, 6:56 am
17 Sep 2008, 7:09 am
17 Sep 2008, 11:50 am
17 Sep 2008, 11:51 am
Im entitled to my opinion so back off!
im not in a good mood. dont tell me what to do.well please dont write such uninformed clap trap. MissP has posted a well thought out response to the spin of pro lifers, I suggest that you read it and learn something.
seriously, if you don't like what I say, then don't read it. I'm not gonna take a lecture from you.
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17 Sep 2008, 4:05 pm
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17 Sep 2008, 4:27 pm
I am totally against abortion on a healthy foetus. People use the the argument that it doesn't have a brain in the first trimester but that doesn't change the fact that you're halting the embryological developmental process that would have led to it developing a brain and later on life. Abortion is murder in my eyes if either the foetus is healthy and/or it is being aborted for no apparant reason.
I think that pro-lifers and pro-choicers are both wrong and are simply engaging in a profitless battle instead of trying to hold reasoned debates. Whilst they are some stupid/ignorant pro-lifers they are stupid/ignorant pro-choicers. This is true of every ideology. There are generally stupid people who jump the gun and rush in without stopping to actually read into anything regarding said ideology/viewpoint..
So, every time a woman has her period, she's a murderer? Or every time a lady miscarries - knowingly or not - she's a murderer? Because that's terminating a biological process that would otherwise lead to a brain developing and eventually life. And by the way, nobody has an abortion for no apparent reason. There's always about a million different reasons why it's the best option should a lady go down that path. How dare you judge those who you do not know!
Ahh, ladies. We're doomed from the start! Damn you, Eve, and your inability to resist temptation! The curse of women is upon us all!
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17 Sep 2008, 4:35 pm
That is the worst argument ever. A period isn't halting the development of the embryo becuase that process hasn't started yet. This process does not begin until a sperm and an egg combine. Duh.
And a miscarriage is the baby dying and is therefore not the same thing as abortion. Just like dying isn't the same as being killed.
Biology. You should study it. And don't claim that you know what you're talking about becuase if you have then that is just confirming that you are willingly distorting/ignoring evidence to support your views.
An excuse is an excuse and is no substitute for the truth. There are plenty of unneccessary reasons just like there are plenty of neccessary reasons.
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17 Sep 2008, 4:39 pm
I am totally against abortion on a healthy foetus. People use the the argument that it doesn't have a brain in the first trimester but that doesn't change the fact that you're halting the embryological developmental process that would have led to it developing a brain and later on life. Abortion is murder in my eyes if either the foetus is healthy and/or it is being aborted for no apparant reason.
I think that pro-lifers and pro-choicers are both wrong and are simply engaging in a profitless battle instead of trying to hold reasoned debates. Whilst they are some stupid/ignorant pro-lifers they are stupid/ignorant pro-choicers. This is true of every ideology. There are generally stupid people who jump the gun and rush in without stopping to actually read into anything regarding said ideology/viewpoint..
So, every time a woman has her period, she's a murderer? Or every time a lady miscarries - knowingly or not - she's a murderer? Because that's terminating a biological process that would otherwise lead to a brain developing and eventually life. And by the way, nobody has an abortion for no apparent reason. There's always about a million different reasons why it's the best option should a lady go down that path. How dare you judge those who you do not know!
Ahh, ladies. We're doomed from the start! Damn you, Eve, and your inability to resist temptation! The curse of women is upon us all!
The resisting of temptation was from Adam, it seems that Eve was just plain naive.
And, a part from Eve, another woman gave a lot ot trouble, Lilith, her greatest sin was that she wanted equality, she wanted to be on top while being intimate with Adam, God banned her from paradise, and she became a demon. God regreted to have made Lilith from the dust just as Adam and he decided to use one of Adam's ribs instead, however, it turned out... well, look how the world has become
17 Sep 2008, 6:18 pm
I am totally against abortion on a healthy foetus. People use the the argument that it doesn't have a brain in the first trimester but that doesn't change the fact that you're halting the embryological developmental process that would have led to it developing a brain and later on life. Abortion is murder in my eyes if either the foetus is healthy and/or it is being aborted for no apparant reason.
I think that pro-lifers and pro-choicers are both wrong and are simply engaging in a profitless battle instead of trying to hold reasoned debates. Whilst they are some stupid/ignorant pro-lifers they are stupid/ignorant pro-choicers. This is true of every ideology. There are generally stupid people who jump the gun and rush in without stopping to actually read into anything regarding said ideology/viewpoint..
So, every time a woman has her period, she's a murderer? Or every time a lady miscarries - knowingly or not - she's a murderer? Because that's terminating a biological process that would otherwise lead to a brain developing and eventually life. And by the way, nobody has an abortion for no apparent reason. There's always about a million different reasons why it's the best option should a lady go down that path. How dare you judge those who you do not know!
Ahh, ladies. We're doomed from the start! Damn you, Eve, and your inability to resist temptation! The curse of women is upon us all!
The resisting of temptation was from Adam, it seems that Eve was just plain naive.
And, a part from Eve, another woman gave a lot ot trouble, Lilith, her greatest sin was that she wanted equality, she wanted to be on top while being intimate with Adam, God banned her from paradise, and she became a demon. God regreted to have made Lilith from the dust just as Adam and he decided to use one of Adam's ribs instead, however, it turned out... well, look how the world has become
Oh, here we go again...I knew this would happen.
17 Sep 2008, 6:35 pm
well, it already happened, like 6,000 years ago
Seriously...
Just ask me if I believe anything of what I said
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17 Sep 2008, 7:37 pm
18 Sep 2008, 6:38 am
well, it already happened, like 6,000 years ago
Seriously...
Just ask me if I believe anything of what I said
I didn't think you did, but I sensed the approach of Polemic.
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18 Sep 2008, 12:51 pm
Too right!
Sling, please understand sarcasm. Your arguments are ignorant of the situation and unless you've been there, you really can't comment. No woman endures that pain for no reason. End of.
And Greenblue, thanks for the theology lesson, but I was honestly just being a bit sarcastic and silly... should I edit and cry "Woe are we woman, for the sin of Eve AND Lillith BECAUSE of Adam!'?
18 Sep 2008, 2:41 pm
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