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Will religion die out?
Yes 29%  29%  [ 17 ]
No 71%  71%  [ 41 ]
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06 Dec 2008, 6:42 pm

Ah_Q wrote:
Yes, I think it is inevitable so long as humanity does not suffer any catastrophic setbacks any time soon. Religion is born with ignorance and will die with ignorance.


This is very true.
People knew very little about the world during the time bible myths where made up, so it was commonplace and and understandable during the time, its humankind's natural curiosity that gives us the need to explain everything.

But thanks to that natural curiosity, over time humankind has found answers to many of the questions we have asked through science, and so we know that these myths hold no water at all, and they are nothing more then fairy tales.

I can see how the myths that some people hold on to can mean their own downfall, such as the parents that 'prayed' for the sick daughter, rather then take her to a hospital, (the girl died as a result) or the Jehovah's Witnesses that brainwash people to not get needed blood transfusions, and who can forget the wack-jobs that claim that god told them to kill, steal, ect.


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06 Dec 2008, 6:51 pm

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I can see how the myths that some people hold on to can mean their own downfall, such as the parents that 'prayed' for the sick daughter, rather then take her to a hospital, (the girl died as a result) or the Jehovah's Witnesses that brainwash people to not get needed blood transfusions


This is not a correct understanding.



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06 Dec 2008, 6:55 pm

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I can see how the myths that some people hold on to can mean their own downfall, such as the parents that 'prayed' for the sick daughter, rather then take her to a hospital, (the girl died as a result) or the Jehovah's Witnesses that brainwash people to not get needed blood transfusions


This is not a correct understanding.


At least explain why. You also quoted Ah_Q post by saying he was 'wrong' and did not explain yourself either.


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06 Dec 2008, 7:07 pm

Chibi_Neko wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
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I can see how the myths that some people hold on to can mean their own downfall, such as the parents that 'prayed' for the sick daughter, rather then take her to a hospital, (the girl died as a result) or the Jehovah's Witnesses that brainwash people to not get needed blood transfusions


This is not a correct understanding.


At least explain why. You also quoted Ah_Q post by saying he was 'wrong' and did not explain yourself either.


Don't you realize that it's a much vaster topic, religion, than the Jehovah's Witnesses?



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07 Dec 2008, 12:53 am

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Don't you realize that it's a much vaster topic, religion, than the Jehovah's Witnesses?


Wait..... what?

Ok, both of us quoted Ah_Q, you flat out said that he's wrong and left it at that, and I agreed with him and stated my case. You then took my statement and said "This is not a correct understanding."

Please tell me why, that's all I ask.


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07 Dec 2008, 10:24 am

Ah_Q wrote:
Yes, I think it is inevitable so long as humanity does not suffer any catastrophic setbacks any time soon. Religion is born with ignorance and will die with ignorance.


There are a few constants of the human condition, and they are as follows:

-religion
-politics
-money
-sex
-war
-man's inhumanity to man

These things have always been with us, and always will be with us in one form or another. It is unrealistic IMO to fantasize about a day when there will be no religion, just as it is unrealistic to fantasize about a day when money, politics, or war will be things of the past. Look at it from a historical perspective.

If religion didn't exist, what would take its place?



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07 Dec 2008, 10:25 am

Chibi_Neko wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
Don't you realize that it's a much vaster topic, religion, than the Jehovah's Witnesses?


Wait..... what?

Ok, both of us quoted Ah_Q, you flat out said that he's wrong and left it at that, and I agreed with him and stated my case. You then took my statement and said "This is not a correct understanding."

Please tell me why, that's all I ask.


Sorry, I've lost that train of thought.



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07 Dec 2008, 10:55 am

Not until NTs die out Motherf***er!



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07 Dec 2008, 11:06 am

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Not until NTs die out Motherf***er!



My whole famly are neurotypicals. You make it sound like they're a different race, which is ironic coming from a black guy. Why are white people always made out to be the bigots?



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07 Dec 2008, 11:16 am

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If religion didn't exist, what would take its place?


Peace, tolerance, rationality, just to name a few.

While religion is supposed to promote these things, most of the great wars of the past abd contradictions in the bible say otherwise.


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07 Dec 2008, 11:24 am

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Not until NTs die out Motherf***er!


I think I'd slit my wrists in a world like that - not about the lack of religion but more about the 100% aspies. Hopefully, should that ever happen, I'll be long dead.



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07 Dec 2008, 11:26 am

I think those great wars would have happened anyway, and if you actually read the Bible, the intended message of Christianity becomes clear. People have been doing it wrong for a long long time.

The Crusades-- what could be more un-Christian than killing your neighbour in the name of God when you were called to love your neighbour? I will be the first to point out the discrepancies between word and deed down through the ages. But what does this really indicate?

The church is corrupt mainly because it's an organization of men. And men are sinful.



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07 Dec 2008, 11:50 am

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I think those great wars would have happened anyway, and if you actually read the Bible, the intended message of Christianity becomes clear. People have been doing it wrong for a long long time.

The Crusades-- what could be more un-Christian than killing your neighbour in the name of God when you were called to love your neighbour? I will be the first to point out the discrepancies between word and deed down through the ages. But what does this really indicate?

The church is corrupt mainly because it's an organization of men. And men are sinful.


Now that that's out of the way, we can start to organize a new sinless church composed completely of penguins.



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07 Dec 2008, 12:04 pm

slowmutant wrote:
Ah_Q wrote:
Yes, I think it is inevitable so long as humanity does not suffer any catastrophic setbacks any time soon. Religion is born with ignorance and will die with ignorance.


There are a few constants of the human condition, and they are as follows:

-religion
-politics
-money
-sex
-war
-man's inhumanity to man

These things have always been with us, and always will be with us in one form or another. It is unrealistic IMO to fantasize about a day when there will be no religion, just as it is unrealistic to fantasize about a day when money, politics, or war will be things of the past. Look at it from a historical perspective.

Irrational and defeatist. I have taken an historical perspective and I've found that it's a lot more complicated than your making it out to be. All of these things can be studied and understood. Their causes and reasons for existing can be learned and applied. The way you present them makes them out to be mysterious forces of nature that cannot be fully understood by humans. This is nonsense. It is a view that simply discourages any further investigation, when what we need is the opposite. One thing that truly has always been with us is disease. And yet we have eradicated diseases.

Your post is not even accurate. There are actual societies right now that have no system of currency, in fact currency is a recent invention in human history and only became standardized and prevalent with the rise of centralised banking. They may have trade, but there is nothing inherently bad about trade, trade can be a very good thing. Religion, obviously has not always been around. It was invented by people and before people invented it they were without religion.

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If religion didn't exist, what would take its place?

There are nonreligious poeple living today.


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07 Dec 2008, 12:07 pm

i think that as long as we cannot answer everything there will always be room for religion of some kind...so in other words there will always be room for religion in society.

but hopefully religion will become more and more liberal and less and less dogmatic..as today in some regions of the world where religion is very dogmatic like in parts of the middle east ect these dogmas are the biggest cause of social problems and mainly poverty. and in societies with little or no dogma there is very little such issues and hardly any poverty.



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07 Dec 2008, 12:08 pm

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Now that that's out of the way, we can start to organize a new sinless church composed completely of penguins.


That would be nice, penguins don't blame women for the sins of men. Over in the middle east if a woman gets rapped, she is the one who is lashed, not the man.


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