I am a Jew but i am not Zionist

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you could say alot of Bible Gibberish as you want, but i will not stop me from being Anti-Zionist, i prefer to live under Muslim or Christian Rule and Face some restrictions imposed by Christian or Muslim Rulers (e.g Paying a special Tax, Barred from Holding Certain Public offices) than having our own land and Persecuting other people.

I hope one day the Zionists will give in, apologise to the palestinians,disband Israel and return Palestine to the Palestinians, so Muslim and Jewish relationships will be restored.

That will happen the day after the Americans give it all back to the Indians. My advice: don't hold your breath.

ruveyn

"Persecuting other people"?? Okay... How much do you really know about Israel? The sheer amount of international humanitarian work they do, and goods they airlift, is off the charts for any nation of its small size. A hugely disproportionate number of medical and technological breakthroughs continue to stream from the Israelis, in all fields, including Autism! Israel's number of college degrees per capita, and also their number of published scientific papers per capita, are both 1st among all nations in the world. They airlift hundreds of tons of food and clothing to any and all suffering nations within their reach.

Here is a very partial list of their international humanitarian work:

http://www.infoisrael.net/cgi-local/text.pl?source=7/c/110820021

I'm not ashamed to support such a great and such a dear-hearted nation as Israel. My own nation could stand to learn much from them. Israel's is a culture of life and love. "La'chaim!" ("To life!"), they shout at many celebrations, or even as informal jubilation. I love the Jews, and I love Israel. And I don't have to say "God bless them", because He already has promised He would into eternity.

The world and the media hate Israel and the Jews. Big deal! The world and the media are simply wrong to do this, and that's all there is to it. Hate is hate, and it will always be here. The fact remains that Israel is a good neighbor in a bad neighborhood.

Ragtime i know you are trying to be kind to us Jews, if you really love us Jews you should be supporting Palestine

I think history (i.e. ancient Egypt, the Babylonians, the Romans, the Nazis...) has made it clear that the Jews need an available refuge from solely being minorities in a Gentile world. In America, all our minorities have nations they can call there true origin, and can go back to and visit for solace and a sense of oneness, and they can even move there if they personally wish to, and some have done. But Jews have nothing like that except tiny Israel, an extremely productive and world-blessing country that would be an incalculable loss to humanity if it was ever extinguished. (Which it can't be, as I've said, but I'm speaking hypothetically: Israel needs to survive.)

Israelis don't fail to recognize that many other peoples settled in their land in the long period when most Israeli Jews (but not all) were dispersed from their land. Indeed, Jerusalem itself is divided up into four quarters: Muslim, Jewish, Christian, and Armenian -- it's not all Jewish. So clearly, modern Israeli Jews do not lay exclusive historical claim to the land. That said, archaeology continues to show (far beyond any needful messure) that the Jews were not only there first, but actively possessed the land as a nation of people indigenous to Israel alone. Therefore, they simply have more historical claim to the land than any other people.

Does that mean they shouldn't share the land? Of course not: The Torah speaks of welcoming and feeding "the stranger in the land" -- a kindness which God specifically prescribes. What needs to happen, rather, is everyone has to learn to get along without this excessive and perpetual violence by those trying to take the entire land for exclusively themselves by bombing civilians in marketplaces -- a decidedly terrorist, rather than military, strategy, both for its desperation and for its pointless off-the-mark reasoning.

Where exactly would Israel be transplanted in the world that would welcome them? Exactly.

Are you for real?

You do know how they treat non jews (especially blacks) in Israel, don't you?

It is nothing but a racist regime. The orthodox Jews are no better than the arab mentalists, they may not be running about blowing themselves up but that is because they are more devious. Their mantra, as seen in the talmud, is disgusting. I suggest you read up on this and also research some of Mossad's activities if you think Israel is so great and good.

Religion has only bred hypocrisy, hate and lies from the begining of civilization, it is a tool to brainwash the masses.

There are more Sikhs (Sikhism is the fifth largest religion in the world) around the world than us Jews (Judaism is the sixth Largest religion in the world), Sikhs do not have any country of there own so it is common sense that we should not have our own country. If you love us Jews support Palestine, so antisemitism will not be a big issue anymore, we Jews could always live in America.

I'm an anti colonialist, therefore America must be destroyed and all the survivors must pay special taxes to the natives.

...no wait, I must have taken the wrong pills this morning. Sure I'm against colonialism, but I'm also against legal inequalities, and I do not support destroying countries even if they were founded by colonialism (which they all were if you go back far enough). Two (or more) wrongs don't make a right.

Every day, I'm amazed to see the amount of people who put so much value on their own opinions. Amazed.

I am amazed so often, it no longer amazes me to find myself amazed.

Mmm, maize.

I would prefer not to have a home country and Be tolorent rather than to Have a home country and Be intolorent

As I've detailed is the case among most of the Jews in modern Israel, I prefer to have a home country and be tolerant.
You do know that most Israeli Jews are very liberal politically, right? Most accordingly both feel and express much sympathy for the Palestinians -- unfortunately, to a fault in reasoning: they believe they (themselves, the Jews) must vacate Israel, or else Palestinians will magically keep suffering and dying by virtue of the very existence of Jews in the land. (A better argument could be made for the reverse, actually, but still the argument would be deeply flawed, since thousands of Palestinians actually live in peace living and working alongside the Israelis in all fields of industry, including higher government.) It's a drama-fest of self-deprication -- something so common among Jews, it has become a stereotype. Don't become yet another Jew whose surreal sense of guilt, a reaction to anti-Semitism, weighs him down prone on the floor.
Stop the drama, learn the facts.

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If you love us jews support Palestine

Somebody check this guy's IP. €20 says he's an Arab

Which Guys IP?