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20 Mar 2009, 5:32 am

azulene wrote:

I am a scientist from my first atom to my last, so here is what I think:

Without science and technology humans would not exist.

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You have it backwards. Without humans, science and technology as they are would not exist. Some of the primates can make very crude tools (which is technology, version 0.1) but not much else.

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20 Mar 2009, 5:35 am

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I am proud that I am not human. I am proud I don't belong to the quivering mess that is humanity.
I socialize with them, but only certain members of the species. Those higher up in the dominance hierarchy (both social and political) generally don't deserve that power.
I am a human-shaped being, one whose existance needs a new genus from homo sapians sapians

I am sure an analysis of your genome by Venter's sequencing process would reveal that you are a member of the species homo sapien sapien. You have cultural differences with the vast majority of the species, as do I. Deny it if you must, but you are one of the Smart Apes in The Monkey House.

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20 Mar 2009, 10:50 am

A creation by God.

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20 Mar 2009, 11:23 am

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A creation by God.

It's surprisingly difficult to convince naive minds that there is no Santa Claus, no Easter bunny, no fairies, no vampires, etc.

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20 Mar 2009, 5:15 pm

I believe that humans are a creation by a master scientist named God. One of the reasons that I lost my faith in the fantasy of evolution, and the unquestioning acceptance that I was an apeman, was based on the defunct theory that life started from a "simple cell," which scientist now have discovered to be a very "complex cell." And the immeasurable complexity of matter proves creation by a genius.

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20 Mar 2009, 5:44 pm

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Humans are the outcome of contingent events. We are the product of genetic variation and natural selection in a world whose physical condition changes over time. There is no Master Scientist or if there is, he left town a long time ago. There is only the Laboratory.

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20 Mar 2009, 10:33 pm

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Whenever I read statements like this I feel sad.

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31 Mar 2009, 7:57 pm

We are human beings not human doings cliche but true.Despite our percieved antagonisism to the world why not embrace the neurotypical illusion but quote them platos anology of the cave.

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31 Mar 2009, 8:04 pm

half apes / half Et's

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31 Mar 2009, 10:59 pm

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Even quantum mechanics tells us objectivity is impossible.

Does it now?

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31 Mar 2009, 11:39 pm

azulene wrote:

Even quantum mechanics tells us objectivity is impossible. I put an asterix next to the question alluding to the most "scientific" perspective above. The rest was a subjective weave in demonstrating possible emotional coloring on or around the topic of comparing humans to animals :wink:

Quantum physics tells no such thing. Quantum electrodynamics predicts ensemble behavior to twelve decimal places as verified by tens of thousands of experiments. Is that objective enough for you?

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01 Apr 2009, 12:48 am

To speak of humans versus animals is like speaking of grasshoppers versus animals or paramecium versus animals. We are all animals.

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01 Apr 2009, 9:23 pm

Actually, I'm pretty sure that paramecia aren't animals.

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01 Apr 2009, 10:42 pm

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Actually, I'm pretty sure that paramecia aren't animals.

Then it's about time you changed your mind.

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01 Apr 2009, 10:51 pm

Sand wrote:

twoshots wrote:

Actually, I'm pretty sure that paramecia aren't animals.

Then it's about time you changed your mind.

A paramecium is no more an animal than a tree or a piece of kelp is.

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01 Apr 2009, 10:54 pm

twoshots wrote:

Sand wrote:

twoshots wrote:

Actually, I'm pretty sure that paramecia aren't animals.

Then it's about time you changed your mind.

A paramecium is no more an animal than a tree or a piece of kelp is.

See http://101science.com/paramecium.htm

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