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11 Mar 2009, 2:51 pm

All this talk about how wrong the Bible is is nonsense since God can do anything. In those days pi was 3. Somewhere along the line God changed it to 3.14159.......The Guy is omnipotent.

Very recently an excavation was made in Gaza by one of the Israeli bombs off target which revealed an ancient chamber where a new scroll of the old testament was discovered with untold tales of the Bible. It revealed that the flood did not actually cover the entire Earth. God merely shrank Noah and the animals so that the boat only had to be about 2 meters long and Noah became Nanonoah and a lion was the size of a paramecium. Since there were no ways to compare their size nobody noticed and when God wanted them to think the flood was over He just enlarged them again. That solves a lot of mysteries.



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11 Mar 2009, 3:02 pm

Sand wrote:
All this talk about how wrong the Bible is is nonsense since God can do anything. In those days pi was 3. Somewhere along the line God changed it to 3.14159.......The Guy is omnipotent.


No, pi is defined mathematically so that's not the case. But in a sense the exact value of pi was of little importance in anywhere in the world in those days, at least in terms of being used for construction of homes, equipment, etc. If you were a mathematician it would matter to you, since your aim in life is to be exactly correct, but you didn't need it exact for accounting, for farming, navigation wasn't quite so star oriented in the Mediterranean at that time, and metalworking was a craft/art and not a science.



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11 Mar 2009, 3:19 pm

Where is your faith? You think changing mathematics is beyond God? That's blasphemy.



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11 Mar 2009, 3:48 pm

Sand wrote:
Where is your faith? You think changing mathematics is beyond God? That's blasphemy.


Says who?



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11 Mar 2009, 5:30 pm

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Where is your faith? You think changing mathematics is beyond God? That's blasphemy.

well, mathematics are human constructs, aren't they?


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11 Mar 2009, 5:34 pm

"If the bible was true... we'd all be dead."

omg, i JUST thought to myself, if it was true, we wouldn't be here! XD



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11 Mar 2009, 5:41 pm

greenblue wrote:
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Where is your faith? You think changing mathematics is beyond God? That's blasphemy.

well, mathematics are human constructs, aren't they?


Our construction of the knowledge of mathematics may be one set of definitions of an innumerable variety of definition sets, but they are defining concepts that exist regardless of anything else and would be true regardless of the existence of anything else.



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11 Mar 2009, 5:47 pm

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It works like this: The Bible is the inerrant Word of God. The Bible says pi = 3. But pi != 3. Hence the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God. What a surprise!

You know that is the same fallacy few creationists use to argue against evolution?
wether the Bible makes an aproximation to an integer value of 3 instead of the real value of 3.14159265........ is absolutely irrelevant to the belief and issues about the Bible being an inerrant word of God or not. It does not actually follow, but given the biased position on it, it may seem to be, in one hand, it kinda looks to me to be related to intellectual disonesty when used, though I could be wrong.


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11 Mar 2009, 7:37 pm

ruveyn wrote:
It works like this: The Bible is the inerrant Word of God. The Bible says pi = 3. But pi != 3. Hence the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God. What a surprise!

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Your argument totally falls apart if you run into anyone who believes that the Bible is the word of God, but not neccesarily inerrant. It's a pretty common viewpoint among Christians, and happens to be my own as well.

But you can assume literal inerrancy and still take your argument apart without hardly trying.

I've memorized pi to a fair number of decimal places: 3.14159265358979. Many math books that talk about pi say it's 3.14159 or 3.14. Computer programs have calculated pi to millions of decimal places. But none of these *are* pi. Pi is an infinitely long non-repeating decimal that can never be written down in it's entirety. All of these modern mathematical books are similarly 'false' by your argument.

And, of course, to a single digit approximation, pi *is* 3.


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11 Mar 2009, 7:55 pm

Ancalagon wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
It works like this: The Bible is the inerrant Word of God. The Bible says pi = 3. But pi != 3. Hence the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God. What a surprise!

ruveyn


Your argument totally falls apart if you run into anyone who believes that the Bible is the word of God, but not neccesarily inerrant. It's a pretty common viewpoint among Christians, and happens to be my own as well.

But you can assume literal inerrancy and still take your argument apart without hardly trying.

I've memorized pi to a fair number of decimal places: 3.14159265358979. Many math books that talk about pi say it's 3.14159 or 3.14. Computer programs have calculated pi to millions of decimal places. But none of these *are* pi. Pi is an infinitely long non-repeating decimal that can never be written down in it's entirety. All of these modern mathematical books are similarly 'false' by your argument.

And, of course, to a single digit approximation, pi *is* 3.


The question remains, why the bible gives here a number at all - given the diameter would be sufficient enough: "Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses".



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11 Mar 2009, 8:08 pm

Dussel wrote:
Ancalagon wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
It works like this: The Bible is the inerrant Word of God. The Bible says pi = 3. But pi != 3. Hence the Bible is not the inerrant Word of God. What a surprise!

ruveyn


Your argument totally falls apart if you run into anyone who believes that the Bible is the word of God, but not neccesarily inerrant. It's a pretty common viewpoint among Christians, and happens to be my own as well.

But you can assume literal inerrancy and still take your argument apart without hardly trying.

I've memorized pi to a fair number of decimal places: 3.14159265358979. Many math books that talk about pi say it's 3.14159 or 3.14. Computer programs have calculated pi to millions of decimal places. But none of these *are* pi. Pi is an infinitely long non-repeating decimal that can never be written down in it's entirety. All of these modern mathematical books are similarly 'false' by your argument.

And, of course, to a single digit approximation, pi *is* 3.


The question remains, why the bible gives here a number at all - given the diameter would be sufficient enough: "Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses".


Cur in inferno debet importare te?



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11 Mar 2009, 8:14 pm

It better not be true! If it is I know where I'm going when I die.



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11 Mar 2009, 8:18 pm

If it is true, then it means that God would take on human flesh and pay the penalty for our sins.



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11 Mar 2009, 8:38 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Cur in inferno debet importare te?


Crimen extinguitur mortalitate.



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11 Mar 2009, 9:01 pm

Dussel wrote:
The question remains, why the bible gives here a number at all - given the diameter would be sufficient enough: "Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses".

It would be sufficient, but that would only really be a flaw in a modern math book. Which the Bible, as you have probably noticed, isn't....


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11 Mar 2009, 9:12 pm

Ancalagon wrote:
Dussel wrote:
The question remains, why the bible gives here a number at all - given the diameter would be sufficient enough: "Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses".

It would be sufficient, but that would only really be a flaw in a modern math book. Which the Bible, as you have probably noticed, isn't....


... than at the end is the bible nothing more than a collection of dubious books written by uneducated people.