The tea party protests, your opinion please...

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The Tea Party Protests Are...
Awesome! 41%  41%  [ 13 ]
Not Awesome! 28%  28%  [ 9 ]
A Little Awesome! 19%  19%  [ 6 ]
WTF Are You Talking About? 13%  13%  [ 4 ]
Total votes : 32

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23 Apr 2009, 6:18 pm

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In my view, compared to the travesty the last president waged on our economy, the current one is doing very well despite not even being in office for 100 days. As for the protesters, I would like to say that they are coming off none to well. I will not debate whether they are in the right or the wrong (Because no matter what is said, Vibrate and Dox are "right" :roll: ) however, I would like to point out that there the claim of not being represented is false. compared to 1770, we are extremely well represented (Note I said compared to, not actually) and the abuses suffered under the british tyrannical rule are 100x worse then anything the current president has done so far, actaully the opposite, he has closed down the sites were torture took place.


That may be so, we've never had it as bad as Russia in the 20's either. Still, certain people know what we've had in the past, know that its been degrading, the current 'crisis' has been that big excuse for people to stand up to the slide toward larger and larger gov't.



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23 Apr 2009, 8:20 pm

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In my view, compared to the travesty the last president waged on our economy, the current one is doing very well despite not even being in office for 100 days. As for the protesters, I would like to say that they are coming off none to well. I will not debate whether they are in the right or the wrong (Because no matter what is said, Vibrate and Dox are "right" :roll: ) however, I would like to point out that there the claim of not being represented is false. compared to 1770, we are extremely well represented (Note I said compared to, not actually) and the abuses suffered under the british tyrannical rule are 100x worse then anything the current president has done so far, actaully the opposite, he has closed down the sites were torture took place.


That may be so, we've never had it as bad as Russia in the 20's either. Still, certain people know what we've had in the past, know that its been degrading, the current 'crisis' has been that big excuse for people to stand up to the slide toward larger and larger gov't.

yes but their methodology is not working, they are coming off naive and crazy, take for example, tea bagging, srsly? Of all the things, the use that term? Its things like that which work against them.


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23 Apr 2009, 8:52 pm

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yes but their methodology is not working, they are coming off naive and crazy


I honestly don't know how unless you really don't know why their out there; that's when the conclusions of stupidity and callowness usually start filling the vacuum of knowledge.

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take for example, tea bagging, srsly? Of all the things, the use that term? Its things like that which work against them.


I don't know anything about that; as in I've heard it mentioned, I thought in reference to something a CNN anchor had maybe made as a freudian slip - some of these people might have used it; I have no idea though so I can't say it didn't happen. Still - like you mentioned, its easy to broad brush something by a few examples. That said though it seems to matter whether one can identify with their cause - government traditionalists, conservatives, libertarians - can; liberals, leftists, and a great many of the currently highschool and college educated under the PC veil - can't cypher reality much past 'left is good, right is fascist/racist' and have had lifetimes of being told that capitalism is bad. Yes, that's a generality; its not even to say that its never or even more often than not a blend of both; sad that I have to give that disclaimer but these days everyone has that tendency to take an explained dynamic and make try and make it a person's epitat statement (as if they know no other intertwining reality passed that point).

Didn't mean to get sidetracked but I'm saying it like this; if you understand the cause - it looks like something conservatives should have started a LONG time ago, it is overdue, and the most important thing its doing is making a ripple and making its way to to the level of public discourse. Just like if someone sees a cause or way of thinking as senseless or inadequate - they'll not only see most actions taken by that party as stupid but they'll roll their eyes at any symbollic gesture because they'll think its as useless, emotive, and does nothing more than annoy any sensible person. That's simply called living on different paradigms of reality.



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23 Apr 2009, 11:17 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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yes but their methodology is not working, they are coming off naive and crazy


I honestly don't know how unless you really don't know why their out there; that's when the conclusions of stupidity and callowness usually start filling the vacuum of knowledge.

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take for example, tea bagging, srsly? Of all the things, the use that term? Its things like that which work against them.


I don't know anything about that; as in I've heard it mentioned, I thought in reference to something a CNN anchor had maybe made as a freudian slip - some of these people might have used it; I have no idea though so I can't say it didn't happen. Still - like you mentioned, its easy to broad brush something by a few examples. That said though it seems to matter whether one can identify with their cause - government traditionalists, conservatives, libertarians - can; liberals, leftists, and a great many of the currently highschool and college educated under the PC veil - can't cypher reality much past 'left is good, right is fascist/racist' and have had lifetimes of being told that capitalism is bad. Yes, that's a generality; its not even to say that its never or even more often than not a blend of both; sad that I have to give that disclaimer but these days everyone has that tendency to take an explained dynamic and make try and make it a person's epitat statement (as if they know no other intertwining reality passed that point).

Didn't mean to get sidetracked but I'm saying it like this; if you understand the cause - it looks like something conservatives should have started a LONG time ago, it is overdue, and the most important thing its doing is making a ripple and making its way to to the level of public discourse. Just like if someone sees a cause or way of thinking as senseless or inadequate - they'll not only see most actions taken by that party as stupid but they'll roll their eyes at any symbollic gesture because they'll think its as useless, emotive, and does nothing more than annoy any sensible person. That's simply called living on different paradigms of reality.

what I meant was, to the majority of america, they are coming off badly
and as for the tea bagging thing

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24 Apr 2009, 10:03 am

Its always interesting to note the way that America reinvents events. Annoying at times, but I guess it leads to the great things you often do.

For example, it was long assumed that 'Uncle Sam' was fictional, but it turns out he was real enough. On the other hand, the whole story of Washington chopping down a cherry tree was most likely allegorical of Washington's character.

There is a smidgen of forgetfulness regarding the original Boston Tea Party. A year after it came into effect (applied to and hated by all British subjects) it was dropped by 75%. This was not long before the tea party. What is overlooked and forgotten is that the throwing of the Tea was started by smugglers who were mad about the sudden drop in tea prices. The excessive and unfair tax enabled them to make large profits.

This does not in anyway negate the fact that it was unfair that Americans were taxed without representation. And its good poetic justice that those smugglers who were ripping off your forefathers are nearly forgotten.

I am a Canadian supportive of America.


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24 Apr 2009, 10:25 am

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Its too bad that even with all the protest Sponge-Barack Obama-Pants isn't even listening. Even those other stooges in the system seem to only care about themselves.


Well, the people protesting didn't vote for Obama, and they don't want to compromise or admit in any way that the candidate who wins gets to lead the country in a new direction. When the people at the tea-bagging events hold signs claiming that Obama is not a citizen, or that he is like Hitler leading people to the ovens, why should they be given any credence?



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24 Apr 2009, 11:58 am

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Its too bad that even with all the protest Sponge-Barack Obama-Pants isn't even listening. Even those other stooges in the system seem to only care about themselves.


Well, the people protesting didn't vote for Obama, and they don't want to compromise or admit in any way that the candidate who wins gets to lead the country in a new direction. When the people at the tea-bagging events hold signs claiming that Obama is not a citizen, or that he is like Hitler leading people to the ovens, why should they be given any credence?

I agree, we were given a choice of having a president who would continue a lot of Bush's policys OR have someone who would go in a new direction. America resoundingly choose the latter. And despite being in office not even a year, he is magically expected to snap his fingers and the economy will right itself.


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24 Apr 2009, 8:30 pm

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I will not debate whether they are in the right or the wrong (Because no matter what is said, Vibrate and Dox are "right" :roll: )


Wow that is lame. Whether we are right or not is and has been up for debate. You've just been completely incapable of rising to our level of debate. Don't be calling people out.



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26 Apr 2009, 6:03 pm

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Wow that is lame. Whether we are right or not is and has been up for debate. You've just been completely incapable of rising to our level of debate. Don't be calling people out.


To be fair we could probably rename this folder the 'pee-pee jousting room'; that's most of what you'll see here. I'd even go a step further and suggest that you can usually mark the quality of a thread's content by how fast it falls off the bottom of the page.



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26 Apr 2009, 7:34 pm

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cognito wrote:
I will not debate whether they are in the right or the wrong (Because no matter what is said, Vibrate and Dox are "right" :roll: )


Wow that is lame. Whether we are right or not is and has been up for debate. You've just been completely incapable of rising to our level of debate. Don't be calling people out.

1. It would be sinking to your level
2. No matter what is said or evidence produced, you will cling to your idea no matter what, so its pointless for me to debate any further with someone who is deadset on keeping a closed mind.


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30 Apr 2009, 1:58 pm

Some of the characterizations here about the particpants of the Tea Parties are quite...ah...unappealing.

On thing did happen, though, some news networks biases were shown up front and center which provides for some good You tube time.



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Some of the characterizations here about the particpants of the Tea Parties are quite...ah...unappealing.

On thing did happen, though, some news networks biases were shown up front and center which provides for some good You tube time.

true, John Stewart covers that, Fox becomes MSNBC, MSNBC becomes Fox, and CNN becomes the daily show with "hours of hours of scrotal humor!"


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01 May 2009, 3:52 pm

Sponge-Barrack Obama-Pants doesn't even bother to listen to what we are trying to say.
Hes too busy in his own little world strutting his stuff and trying to charm everyone.


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01 May 2009, 4:02 pm

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Sponge-Barrack Obama-Pants doesn't even bother to listen to what we are trying to say.
Hes too busy in his own little world strutting his stuff and trying to charm everyone.


It's really difficult to take anything you say seriously.

I'm not exactly a fan of Obama, but I have enough respect for the man to not make up some silly name to denigrate him. Doing so would suggest that, you, in fact, are the person living in their own little world.



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Shadowgirl wrote:
Sponge-Barrack Obama-Pants doesn't even bother to listen to what we are trying to say.
Hes too busy in his own little world strutting his stuff and trying to charm everyone.


It's really difficult to take anything you say seriously.

I'm not exactly a fan of Obama, but I have enough respect for the man to not make up some silly name to denigrate him. Doing so would suggest that, you, in fact, are the person living in their own little world.


Then why do you even bother?

Besides if you have watched him you'd see what I mean.


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01 May 2009, 4:39 pm

Bother with what?

I have watched him, of course, and that is where the bulk of my respect comes from. I do not appreciate many of his policy decisions, but his oratorical skills are phenomenal.

Regardless of how we feel about his policies, I see no reason to not have respect for him as a man. He is our first black president, and that is a monumental achievement. Comparing him to a cartoon character, I don't get that, much like some people on another forum calling him B. Hussein.

He has a name, common courtesy calls for you to use his proper name. Even though I seem to disagree with you on many things, if I ever were to reference you, I would do so by your given name, or in this case forum handle.