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19 Mar 2011, 12:39 am

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Social Darwinism is the deformed bastard child of the Theory of Evolution, it is not even worthy of discussion. Even Creationists recognize that it is inherently flawed and was a negative result of the theory of evolution, that some whackjobs will take their xenophobic views of different cultures and try and put their ill-informed interpretations of a biological theory into the social interactions of Human beings

Actually Social Darwinism does conform with the theory of evolution, creationism discards that notion because in creationism every human life has intrinsic value.

Well, evolution isn't about the superiority of nation states. There is struggle between cultures, but the way many Social Darwinists justify their postured ignorance of others by claiming that evolution supports their views... it is incorrect and if people actually still believed that we would still be living in the late 19th century/early 20th

Evolution isn't a value system, that is why Social Darwinism is not part of it

I was thinking of races, people with disabilities, etc. That would fall under evolution and social darwinism.

No dude, evolutionary theory itself doesn't pertain to morality at all. Social Darwinism is some wacked out interpretation of it. Hell I could argue that evolutionary theory proves that morality is intrinsic to human beings since the neo-cortex is what distinguishes us from animals the most and is known for its higher functions. Our cerebellums are basically our reptilian brain and the limbic system is basically our monkey brain. All three brains make their own decisions and they are always fighting for control. You wanna know what's trippy? In sociopaths, their reptilian brains are the most active and their neo-cortexes are damaged.

The reptilian brain is very survival based and strives for dominance as well. However, the fact that our neo-cortex is the most human part of our brain can be interpreted to mean that we have a much higher purpose than just surviving or dominating.

Oh and btw, the reptile brain is the least evolved section of our brains. It goes Lizard brain > Monkey brain > Human brain. So that means the neo-cortex is the most evolved. Looks like evolutionary theory can be interpreted in a way which proves we are inherently moral beings.

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19 Mar 2011, 1:49 am

I snickered at this:

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economic right-wing: logic
economic left-wing: knee jerkism

(the inverse is true about social issues)

But I'm glad I wasn't drinking coffee for this:

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Are you a creationist? social darwinism is bulletproof

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19 Mar 2011, 1:56 am

LibertarianAS wrote:

Economic Left/Right: 8.33
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.10

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btw for those on the left:

1)learn some economics
2)read Ayn Rand,Hayek ,Milton Friedman,Hazlitt:Economic in one lesson
3)drop out brainwashing centres....ehm public school
4)Get a real Job/open your business
5)congratz you are now a Classical Liberal/Minarchist Libertarian

You mention leftist, but yet you name drop people like Milton Friedman whose regarded as a liberal. It's really irrelevant politically the left-right paradigm with regards to the system. It's all based on fiat, keynesian economics. Neo-cons and liberals alike. In Friedmans globalist liberal dogma "The World is Flat" he argues pro globalization as if that benefits you or me. It doesn't benefit anybody except the corporate interests at hand. As a conservative libertarian I stress protectionism and would institute tariffs to even the playing fields in it's current form. I'm against taxes also, similar to Ron Paul's view. I'm not for a big fascist government in the disguise of socialism. I'll go as far to say we don't even need a gold standard, but a complete resource-based economy. Why not have a place like the Library, but instead of renting books .. we rent tools we need or luxury's ? Similar to the Venus Project. Completely eradicating poverty, corruption ,greed, and competition. Anything associated with progressive human enlightenment I'm for.

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19 Mar 2011, 3:26 am

Raymond_Fawkes wrote:

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So you're against taxes, but would institute tariffs?

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19 Mar 2011, 3:40 am

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So you're against taxes, but would institute tariffs?

In the current market system it's the only way. How else will we stave off a 25% unemployment rate with ramped inflation without manufacturing jobs ? If a country like China is acting irresponsibly , and refusing to raise it's currency value then our country needs to take action and impose tariffs. Does that not seem logical ? It may come off as contradictory but the intent in that is to better the people of China and the United States work force.

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19 Mar 2011, 3:56 am

Weren't the tariffs taken off to foster the trade of lesser developed nations? I would say that is done it's time to defend ourselves economically again. We now have emerging economic superpowers besides the U.S. it wouldn't do to continue as we have it will end with us crippling ourselves.

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19 Mar 2011, 9:08 am

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Science basically proves that certain individuals are superior to other individuals

The concept of "superiority" is not to be found anywhere within the mainstream ideas of evolutionary biology.

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19 Mar 2011, 9:23 am

Orwell wrote:

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Science basically proves that certain individuals are superior to other individuals

The concept of "superiority" is not to be found anywhere within the mainstream ideas of evolutionary biology.

Did you check the back of the textbook? It could be in one of the notes there. :roll:

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19 Mar 2011, 9:30 am

LibertarianAS wrote:

1)learn some economics

It will make them more free-market, but still not pull them off the left.

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2)read Ayn Rand,Hayek ,Milton Friedman,Hazlitt:Economic in one lesson

Might provide a push, but Ayn Rand isn't a real philosopher or an economist at all, so she might not help. Even further, the others are enough aligned with the left, that those on the left might not feel obligated to change their overall politics, possibly just becoming liberaltarian or something.

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3)drop out brainwashing centres....ehm public school

Right...... obviously. I see you've taken your own advice.

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4)Get a real Job/open your business

I don't think having a job determines politics so much. In fact, I am pretty sure it does not, otherwise the entire left wing would have to have fake jobs, and I can't imagine so many people having fake jobs.

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5)congratz you are now a Classical Liberal/Minarchist Libertarian

Right... obviously??

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19 Mar 2011, 9:33 am

Raymond_Fawkes wrote:

Milton Friedman is a libertarian. He's regarded as a libertarian. He's only possibly regarded as a "classical liberal", but the man admittedly voted republican for their economic policies.

Secondly, in saying "Friedman's ... dogma "The World is Flat"" you conflate the economist Milton Friedman with the journalist Thomas Friedman who is not related to Milton as far as I know. In any case, free trade is mainstream economics, and almost every economist will say that free trade promotes efficiency, while a lot of the rebuttals are misinformed.

.... in any case, I don't feel too strongly on going further. A lot of what you say is silly, but I play educator way too often.

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19 Mar 2011, 11:45 am

Orwell wrote:

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Science basically proves that certain individuals are superior to other individuals

The concept of "superiority" is not to be found anywhere within the mainstream ideas of evolutionary biology.

That and superiority pertains to how well you adapt to a certain environment, it doesn't prove anything about inherent superiority. You could be suited for one environment and not be very well adjusted for another.

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19 Mar 2011, 12:07 pm

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19 Mar 2011, 1:44 pm

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Rand wasn't about econ at all but some pathetic cult of social darwinism

Are you a creationist? social darwinism is bulletproof

Do you really think that evolution just stopped with humans or is it because your social agenda will not allow you to believe in this seemingly cruel concept? Scientifically, human are no different from any other species. Some members of the species are simply superior to others -- there's little argument that can be made against that.

It is actually quite hypocritical to believe in the theory of evolution and believe that all men are born equal -- because according to evolution, they are not.

Like most Randroids your thinking is overly simplistic. Believe it or not, things like cooperation, compassion, empathy are evolutionary selected traits. Humans are not built like other animals. For our size we are not nearly as fast or as powerful as most other mammals. We are rather pathetic specimins physically. The only thing that saves us is our brain power and our ability to cooperate and work collectively. If not for these traits we would not be on the top of the food chain. Anti-altruistic philosophies like Objectivism actually go against human nature.

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3)drop out brainwashing centres....ehm public school

Right, it would be much better to be brainwashed by paranoid idiots on the internet.

Public schools are a waste of money..............first education is not a right I don't want to pay for some other children
second most teachers in public school are awful and do nothing except brainwash children about how socialism is good,how global warming is real and scary how corporations are gangsta

Yea. The US will become a third-world shit-hole. Your uber-phallic meat-headed ideology will usher in a new dark age for western civilization. We will all be working slave wages in factories for the Chinese who will completely dominate and own our bovine uneducated masses.

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19 Mar 2011, 1:50 pm

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economic right-wing: logic

You have given us no evidence of such.

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19 Mar 2011, 1:54 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

Orwell wrote:

LibertarianAS wrote:

Science basically proves that certain individuals are superior to other individuals

The concept of "superiority" is not to be found anywhere within the mainstream ideas of evolutionary biology.

Did you check the back of the textbook? It could be in one of the notes there. :roll:

No. The term is 'fitness,' which is basically the number of grandchildren one has which survive long enough to reproduce.

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19 Mar 2011, 1:55 pm

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discredited by whom???? some Leftist academic?

Natural selection exists among species and within a species. You'd be stupid to deny that. Humans are no different.

Aha.

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Science basically proves that certain individuals are superior to other individuals and to try to make everyone equal is basically a failed idea before it even starts because everyone is not equal..

Aha.

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power allows one to reproduce more successfully. A person with a lot of power has a better chance at reproduction than a person that doesn't have power.

What is power?

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For instance Gheghis Khan is believed to have around 16,000,000 present day decendents. Even today, powerful men tend to attract more women.

What is power? This sounds like pop pseudoscience.

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Obviously power for an individuals has a strong positive correlation with reproductive success.

You guys laugh at creationists for denying evolution all the times. You deserve to be laughed at just as hard when you deny that the same forces aren't at work within our own species.

The same forces are at work, but to say that implies social darwinism is not utter BS... well, it isn't. Go back to your hole.

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