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09 Aug 2007, 6:48 pm

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were you denied a green card or something?

what a piece of work you are...

why exactly would massacres insue? lost me there....

things will change in the US eventually....

I suspect he's a troll, who doesn't actually believe any of the drivel he's saying but just wants to antagonise people. I don't really care, I'm just shooting down his arguments as they come up so that anyone reading this casually is aware of the flaws.

What arguements have you shot down exactly, I think the economic ones that I am going for stand actually.
As for me being a troll, Cal invited me here from Intensity. Nice try, but no cigar.

you have not elaborated on the economics... other than to say it affects the majority................

you pick/lose fights @ I2 as well lol

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09 Aug 2007, 6:48 pm

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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

Describe these implications. And be sure to explain why countries and states that allow gay marriage have not fallen into economic or social ruin now.

I did. Reduced birth rate and possible attacks on gay people. Read up.

so what are the bad effects of a birthrate reduction?

and thanks for protecting gays from their own good.

I asked a question to this troll guy, but he doesn't answer
if birth rate reduction is the problem, should women not be allowed to have careers? or they should as long they have children?
if there is a difference explain.

I don't really see any economical repercusion for allowing gay marriages, this is just an excuse people that hate gays do, because they dislike the idea.
I believe neo-nazis can make a very similar argument like yours about races, would you agree with them?

I know I have been ignoring your posts and will continue to do so, if you carry on playing the troll card...

Or maybe because you don't have an answer for that, Mr good debating skills.

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09 Aug 2007, 6:50 pm

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It is a lie that homosexuality is a choice... a lie propagated by hate groups.

You can't choose your sexual orientation, or your skin color.

maybe some day parents will have that choice.... but for now, nope!

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09 Aug 2007, 6:51 pm

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1.so majority is always right?

2.do you enjoy having to assimilate to the NT world?

1. The impact on the majority of people has to be balanced against the intrests of the minority. But no, i certianly dont hold the majorirty is always right belief.
2. No, but then a lot of time I dont have to. Much of the time I am respected for who I am, and people who tend to cause me trouble I can fight back in ways they cant retaliate against. Anyway we aspies will succeed NT's someday, the good old fun of evolution, but that is another matter.

so why pick a fight with the gays?

how are they causing you trouble? economics?

Economics, exactly and national instability. The UK is using immigration to the point of almost bursting, and it is already beginning to get nasty. That is my primary concern. The economic one is I want enough children to pay my pension when I retire.

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09 Aug 2007, 6:51 pm

Extremists might be able to tell if their child is genetically predisposed to homosexuality... but then they can't do anything about it except for rear the child up in a hateful environment since they don't believe in abortion either.

But beliefs change...

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09 Aug 2007, 6:51 pm

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"Incidents" of homosexuality will rise when homosexuality is more socially acceptable - People who were in the closet will come out. However, it will still be a minority, homosexuality is harmless.

And even more so, when it becomes
not just acceptable but fashionable.

Indeed, in cultures where 'twas the
norm to be bi, I doubt many avoided
it. THIS is what worries me - like our tastes
in what is attractive, sexuality is not something
purely determined by birth. Cultural norms
effect it. Just as they do religion, and many
other supposed 'choices'. I have to take other
people's words on what they feel - BUT, I know
that people claim advertising doesn't effect them
either.

im sure this may work for people who are in an experimental phase or are closer to the middle of the "spectrum" but i would say no for many....

whatever you think it cant pertain to all... and thus there is still room for claims that soph is making

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09 Aug 2007, 6:52 pm

Sedaka wrote:

Hadron wrote:

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Sedaka wrote:

were you denied a green card or something?

what a piece of work you are...

why exactly would massacres insue? lost me there....

things will change in the US eventually....

What arguements have you shot down exactly, I think the economic ones that I am going for stand actually.
As for me being a troll, Cal invited me here from Intensity. Nice try, but no cigar.

you have not elaborated on the economics... other than to say it affects the majority................

you pick/lose fights @ I2 as well lol

I wouldnt say I lose all of them, far from it in fact. Do you want to pick one with me then...
Look up on the economics...

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09 Aug 2007, 6:52 pm

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you have not elaborated on the economics... other than to say it affects the majority................

It's something very known, that hate groups have used economy as their argument and excuse to support their hatred towards minorities.

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09 Aug 2007, 6:53 pm

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do you actually think the count of autism cases is on the rise, or that we're better defining them...

I think both.

i agree somewhat.... but we can have a genetics discussion another time... plus i dpnt think it is the majority... since we seem to be focusing on that

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09 Aug 2007, 6:56 pm

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How exactly does autism relate to this debate exactly? Two entirely different issues.

Different issues, similar problems, misjudgement, discimination, bullied, depression, suicidals. Get it?

If you think gay people are not born this way, and they choose it.
How can you be sure if autistic people are born that way too, maybe the refrigerator mothers theory appeals to you more.

The small difference of Autistic children showing symptoms at a young age and gay people deciding that they are gay at age 16 or there abouts.
Joe Capricorn. Prove its a lie then. Oh whoops, you cant!

that point is irrelevant cause it has to do with ontogeny.... ppl dont get sexual (well, yes things are starting to change) until their teens anyway

so what's your point (that you can argue effectively... yes teens are enticed a lot, but you can't make your claim due to simple biology)

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09 Aug 2007, 7:00 pm

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Could one possibly use looser logic? It's just all kinds of apples-to-oranges precedents...

What?
It's still fruit.
I was replying to the point that gay people can't get married because they supposedly can't have kids. Neither can old people or infertile people, yet they can get married. What's wrong with my logic there?

Because that's not WHY gay people can't get married. It may be a part of the reason, but not nearly all of it.

so then, all great-wise-knowing-one, why is she angry

Beats me! She's got everything she wants: not married, allowed to be married to a woman, and full WrongPlanet posting privileges -- seems to me her glass is half full.

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(you're gonna be a very handsom candidate for some homo. sucking experiments by tge time we're done with you)

Are you volunteering to be the control? It's been four years...my memory will need refreshing...

i dont wanna participate in your homo. errotica experimentations. i dont even wanna think about it

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09 Aug 2007, 7:00 pm

Sedaka, you're the most prolific poster on this thread. Come out of the closet already!

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09 Aug 2007, 7:02 pm

Sedaka wrote:

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How exactly does autism relate to this debate exactly? Two entirely different issues.

Its very relevent, as you cannot prove that people who are gay are not simply making a choice. When someone does some decent research into the matter, then we shall find out, but it wont happen until someone is open minded enough to explore the issue.

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09 Aug 2007, 7:02 pm

Sopho wrote:

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so then, all great-wise-knowing-one, why is she angry

Beats me! She's got everything she wants: not married, allowed to be married to a woman, and full WrongPlanet posting privileges -- seems to me her glass is half full.

I'm on anti-depressants ffs, my life is hardly great...

he has no idea how to use an analogy..... think he meant half empty........

lololol

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09 Aug 2007, 7:06 pm

Hadron wrote:

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Your arguements are based on the premise that gay people are born gay. I dont think it is true at all.

I'm inclined to trust the accounts of people who actually are gay, over you.

Gay people are biased too. Remember that.

Yes but there's more chance they know what they're talking about.
Either I'm right and I didn't choose to be gay, or I'm lying (although why anyone would choose this sh** is beyond me)
Whereas with you, whether you're lying or not, you still don't have first hand experience of this, so you don't know.

No I do not have first hand experience of this quite true. But I have talked to people who have, and many of these people seem to be being gay as attention seeking, to differenciate themselves from the crowd.

Some are like that yes. You can say that of some people from alsorts of different groups though. Most of the gay people I've known have been the complete opposite though. And I definately never wanted to be gay. I tried for years to be straight.

Right you have now hit my point with the first point. These some people are the problem, they are the ones who because of misguided attention seeking are now not going to move on to have children. This is what I was initially getting at, by promoting homosexuality you are evidently going to have more of them. Which then leads to the economic and other problems that go with this behavior.

im still waiting to be impressed by the tremendous effects this would have on any economy... well, some countries in europe MAYBE... but you'll have to elaborate a little more on the population sturcture to be effective

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09 Aug 2007, 7:06 pm

Sedaka wrote:

Sopho wrote:

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so then, all great-wise-knowing-one, why is she angry

Beats me! She's got everything she wants: not married, allowed to be married to a woman, and full WrongPlanet posting privileges -- seems to me her glass is half full.

I'm on anti-depressants ffs, my life is hardly great...

he has no idea how to use an analogy..... think he meant half empty........

lololol

Wrong yet again, airhead. :roll:

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