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07 Oct 2021, 2:47 pm

let him believe what he wants to believe.



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07 Oct 2021, 9:40 pm

Mr Orange : made tariffs on Chinese imports , restarted steel mills in the USA .
Orangeman bad bad bad.

STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! !! !! !


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07 Oct 2021, 11:01 pm

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I sure didn't love paying $59.68 to fill up my vehicle this morning.


US gas prices are very cheap compared to Europe and Japan. And hey if that's an issue get something more fuel efficient. My sub compact consumes 8 gallons from Full to one quarter tank.

We were energy independent while Orange Man was president.


So we weren't buying gas from the Middle East,? None at all?

We were drilling here in the US. We have no reason to buy oil from the middle east we have all we need if we drill here at home. But that don't matter because "ORANGE MAN BAD!! ! !".


The recent gas price issues don't have anything to do with who is president. They rarely do, it's just "fun" to have someone to pin it on. And I would say the same if the "orange man" was being blamed.

Supply chains remain disrupted by the pandemic within the US.
Summer storms (especially hurricane Ida) disrupted manufacturing and supply; some production is still off-line.
Significantly more people are driving than were a year ago.
Production cuts made earlier in the pandemic have not all been reversed.
There are some producers (including US based) that are limiting supply, but as a factor it falls below the others.

I would hope most people know this.

But people also need some jest in their lives.


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07 Oct 2021, 11:15 pm

Jakki wrote:
Mr Orange : made tariffs on Chinese imports , restarted steel mills in the USA .
Orangeman bad bad bad.

STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !


Number of US workers employed in the steel industry as of July, 2021: 80,828
2019: 79,510
2017: 91,013
2015: 95,497

Not really seeing the benefit of those restarted steel mills.

Still, my issues with Trump aren't economic, despite the fact that my family situation took some big hits from his policies. It's his love of autocracy and defiance of constitutional checks and balances. Complete lack of respect for our election process. Plus his ability to lie to people's faces while getting them to believe he is "telling it as it is." It wouldn't really matter how many "wins" you find to put in his column; even the world's worst autocrats have had some wins for their countries. I believe it is extremely important to the future of Democracy that Trump never hold office again.


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08 Oct 2021, 1:08 am

so many 'muuuricans who dis democracy, who welcome the tyranny of a strong man just because he seems to hate the same people they hate. our founding fathers might have said "to hell with it all!" if they could have known about this eventuality.



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08 Oct 2021, 1:39 am

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so many 'muuuricans who dis democracy, who welcome the tyranny of a strong man just because he seems to hate the same people they hate. our founding fathers might have said "to hell with it all!" if they could have known about this eventuality.


Among other things, they'd be upset to see we've settled into a two party system; they were suspicious of political parties, if I understand it correctly. In many ways it is the two party structure that allowed Trump to rise.

Imagine George Washington finding out Trump has refused to recognize the results of an election.

It is probably a good thing people can't see the future. The best parts would include things we wouldn't have the ability to fully understand and appreciate, while so many difficult parts would make us cry. I do believe we progress overall, just a lot of steps back.


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08 Oct 2021, 1:42 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
so many 'muuuricans who dis democracy, who welcome the tyranny of a strong man just because he seems to hate the same people they hate. our founding fathers might have said "to hell with it all!" if they could have known about this eventuality.


Among other things, they'd be upset to see we've settled into a two party system; they were suspicious of political parties, if I understand it correctly. In many ways it is the two party structure that allowed Trump to rise. Imagine George Washington finding out Trump has refused to recognize the results of an election.

washington would have grabbed that rascal by the scruff of his pencil neck and tossed him out onto the street, express.



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08 Oct 2021, 1:45 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
so many 'muuuricans who dis democracy, who welcome the tyranny of a strong man just because he seems to hate the same people they hate. our founding fathers might have said "to hell with it all!" if they could have known about this eventuality.


Among other things, they'd be upset to see we've settled into a two party system; they were suspicious of political parties, if I understand it correctly. In many ways it is the two party structure that allowed Trump to rise.

Imagine George Washington finding out Trump has refused to recognize the results of an election.

It is probably a good thing people can't see the future. The best parts are probably things we wouldn't have the ability to fully understand and appreciate, while so many other things would make us cry.


There hasn't been a legitimate two term Republican Presidency that didn't end in disgrace or in which the President was mentally component to be President since that of Eisenhower.



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08 Oct 2021, 1:47 am

amuuuricans are known the world over for having a collective short memory if indeed they even pay attention in the first place [plenty of evidence that they don't even do that], so it is inevitable that we keep re-electing GOP protofascists.



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08 Oct 2021, 10:53 am

Not to many people are loving Biden these days, his support is cratering.

Biden approval rating falls to low of 38 percent: Quinnipiac poll

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The poll found 38 percent of those surveyed approve of Biden's job performance, while 53 percent disapprove. Biden's numbers dropped from a Quinnipiac poll released last month that found 42 percent had approved of his performance and 50 percent disapproved.

The dip can largely be contributed to Biden's loss of support among independents, 60 percent of whom said they disapproved of his job performance. In September, the poll found 52 percent of independents gave Biden poor marks.

The survey found Biden got his strongest rating on his handling of the coronavirus pandemic, where the White House has taken a more aggressive approach to vaccine mandates in recent weeks as cases, hospitalizations and deaths all fall across the country. Forty-eight percent of voters approve of Biden's handling of the pandemic, according to the Quinnipiac poll.

But less than 40 percent of voters gave Biden positive marks on his handling of the economy, his job as commander in chief, his work on foreign policy and on immigration.

The poll surveyed 1,326 adults from Oct. 1 to 4 and has a margin of error of 2.7 percentage points.

The Quinnipiac poll is the latest to show Biden's approval rating sinking, particularly among independents.


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08 Oct 2021, 4:29 pm

how soon people forgot about the absolute unmitigated disaster of #45.



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08 Oct 2021, 5:41 pm

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how soon people forgot about the absolute unmitigated disaster of #45.


It is possible to want Trump to stay out of office and simultaneously wish Biden was acting differently on a few things. Just saying.


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08 Oct 2021, 6:56 pm

might be good to have someone in the office whom is not ba professional politician and prefers
things for the good of the people in this country without resorting to financial mischeif or a War.
Re: the state of USA politics.


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08 Oct 2021, 7:09 pm

auntblabby wrote:
so many 'muuuricans who dis democracy, who welcome the tyranny of a strong man just because he seems to hate the same people they hate. our founding fathers might have said "to hell with it all!" if they could have known about this eventuality.


It is the extremists woke progressives that have destroyed American traditional values.
I am not defending that value system, but America was much more cohesive in the past.
Repeat: Not defending American traditions, just making observations.

My point is, I suspect your "Founding Fathers" would be appalled at what the extreme left has done to their country, based on my present understanding.
The destruction of freedom of expression, in particular, would stagger them.
Correct me if I am wrong. 8)



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08 Oct 2021, 7:37 pm

Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
so many 'muuuricans who dis democracy, who welcome the tyranny of a strong man just because he seems to hate the same people they hate. our founding fathers might have said "to hell with it all!" if they could have known about this eventuality.


It is the extremists woke progressives that have destroyed American traditional values.
I am not defending that value system, but America was much more cohesive in the past.
Repeat: Not defending American traditions, just making observations.

My point is, I suspect your "Founding Fathers" would be appalled at what the extreme left has done to their country, based on my present understanding.
The destruction of freedom of expression, in particular, would stagger them.
Correct me if I am wrong. 8)


Am quite sure they would agree with you . But then again the Founding fathers would be branded
as radicals in this day and age . :roll:


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08 Oct 2021, 8:15 pm

Jakki wrote:
Pepe wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
so many 'muuuricans who dis democracy, who welcome the tyranny of a strong man just because he seems to hate the same people they hate. our founding fathers might have said "to hell with it all!" if they could have known about this eventuality.


It is the extremists woke progressives that have destroyed American traditional values.
I am not defending that value system, but America was much more cohesive in the past.
Repeat: Not defending American traditions, just making observations.

My point is, I suspect your "Founding Fathers" would be appalled at what the extreme left has done to their country, based on my present understanding.
The destruction of freedom of expression, in particular, would stagger them.
Correct me if I am wrong. 8)


Am quite sure they would agree with you . But then again the Founding fathers would be branded
as radicals in this day and age . :roll:


No society was perfect back then.
Social systems evolve over time, usually for the better, but not always.
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