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09 Aug 2007, 7:08 pm

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so then, all great-wise-knowing-one, why is she angry

Beats me! She's got everything she wants: not married, allowed to be married to a woman, and full WrongPlanet posting privileges -- seems to me her glass is half full.

I'm on anti-depressants ffs, my life is hardly great...


he has no idea how to use an analogy..... think he meant half empty........

lololol


Wrong yet again, airhead. :roll:


you you're either being sacrcastic... which i figured is beyond you or what?

what does it generally mean to say someone's cup is 1/2 full vs 1/2 empty?

or are you implying that she has more room for knoweldge.

you gotta start learning to elaborate as there are many avenues you could have taken a wrong turn down


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09 Aug 2007, 7:09 pm

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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

Their rights? The straight people's right to stop the gay people getting married?
And you can't encourage people to be gay - they either are or they aren't. It will always be that people are encouraged to be straight over gay, because the vast majority of society is straight. It will never be that kids grow up and think they'll be gay instead of straight because society encourages that. All that would be encouraged is for people to be in a relationship with the person they want to be with, rather that forcing themselves to be straight when they're not. That benefits society.

Explain being Bisexual then. I thought you said people are or they are not gay.
As for people being gay, i believe it is choice people make, not a predisposition. I would like to think people have some control over their own actions.


plz pm ragtime about his uber stringant experimentations with exploring homo. attraction lol

have you had relations with men? if you have.... why do you ask about bisexuality?

Nope I am as straight as a concrete reinforced pole. You dont seem to have mentioned your orientation in this thread Sedaka, forgive me if I missed it.
As for Ragtime, I probably dont want to know... His avatar is spooky enough with the missing top.


does my orientation matter?

i still think homosexuality is AOK


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09 Aug 2007, 7:10 pm

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Your arguements are based on the premise that gay people are born gay. I dont think it is true at all.


I'm inclined to trust the accounts of people who actually are gay, over you.

Gay people are biased too. Remember that.

Yes but there's more chance they know what they're talking about.
Either I'm right and I didn't choose to be gay, or I'm lying (although why anyone would choose this sh** is beyond me)
Whereas with you, whether you're lying or not, you still don't have first hand experience of this, so you don't know.

No I do not have first hand experience of this quite true. But I have talked to people who have, and many of these people seem to be being gay as attention seeking, to differenciate themselves from the crowd.

Some are like that yes. You can say that of some people from alsorts of different groups though. Most of the gay people I've known have been the complete opposite though. And I definately never wanted to be gay. I tried for years to be straight.

Right you have now hit my point with the first point. These some people are the problem, they are the ones who because of misguided attention seeking are now not going to move on to have children. This is what I was initially getting at, by promoting homosexuality you are evidently going to have more of them. Which then leads to the economic and other problems that go with this behavior.


im still waiting to be impressed by the tremendous effects this would have on any economy... well, some countries in europe MAYBE... but you'll have to elaborate a little more on the population sturcture to be effective

Ok the birth rate goes down to a point where the population is not replenishing itself. This means you end up with a disproportionately older population over time. This older population wants to draw its pensions from the taxes, but if a smaller proportion of the population are working then there are less people to pay said taxes and their by pensions and more people needing pensions. If you want an example of a country where the problems are beginning to hit a little, look at Japan.



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09 Aug 2007, 7:11 pm

Hadron wrote:
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Translation: Dear Sopho has lost the arguement and is a sore loser.
So what is my "type" anyway, go on. If you really want you can call me out on Intensity if you like.

I didn't even know you were on Intensity. I might do, but I can't be arsed getting into another thread right now.
Your 'type' is arrogant, conservative, mindless idiot.
I definately havn't lost any argument here lol

I suppose I could be arrogant, but the other three words are incorrect totally. If you are having to step into personal attacks, what does it say about your debating skills?


do patronizing is a good debating skill, then?

In the event of arguement from authority, definately. In other circumstances no.


so what authority does soph have over you, exactly.......... you were patronizing her


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09 Aug 2007, 7:11 pm

Sedaka wrote:
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so then, all great-wise-knowing-one, why is she angry

Beats me! She's got everything she wants: not married, allowed to be married to a woman, and full WrongPlanet posting privileges -- seems to me her glass is half full.

I'm on anti-depressants ffs, my life is hardly great...


he has no idea how to use an analogy..... think he meant half empty........

lololol


Wrong yet again, airhead. :roll:


you you're either being sacrcastic... which i figured is beyond you or what?

what does it generally mean to say someone's cup is 1/2 full vs 1/2 empty?

or are you implying that she has more room for knoweldge.

you gotta start learning to elaborate as there are many avenues you could have taken a wrong turn down


I've learned that elaborations don't work for you, poor thing...



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09 Aug 2007, 7:11 pm

Sedaka wrote:
Hadron wrote:
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Hadron wrote:
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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

Their rights? The straight people's right to stop the gay people getting married?
And you can't encourage people to be gay - they either are or they aren't. It will always be that people are encouraged to be straight over gay, because the vast majority of society is straight. It will never be that kids grow up and think they'll be gay instead of straight because society encourages that. All that would be encouraged is for people to be in a relationship with the person they want to be with, rather that forcing themselves to be straight when they're not. That benefits society.

Explain being Bisexual then. I thought you said people are or they are not gay.
As for people being gay, i believe it is choice people make, not a predisposition. I would like to think people have some control over their own actions.


plz pm ragtime about his uber stringant experimentations with exploring homo. attraction lol

have you had relations with men? if you have.... why do you ask about bisexuality?

Nope I am as straight as a concrete reinforced pole. You dont seem to have mentioned your orientation in this thread Sedaka, forgive me if I missed it.
As for Ragtime, I probably dont want to know... His avatar is spooky enough with the missing top.


does my orientation matter?

i still think homosexuality is AOK

It helps to see what perspective you are arguing from. And what is AOK?



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09 Aug 2007, 7:13 pm

Sedaka wrote:
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Hadron wrote:
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Translation: Dear Sopho has lost the arguement and is a sore loser.
So what is my "type" anyway, go on. If you really want you can call me out on Intensity if you like.

I didn't even know you were on Intensity. I might do, but I can't be arsed getting into another thread right now.
Your 'type' is arrogant, conservative, mindless idiot.
I definately havn't lost any argument here lol

I suppose I could be arrogant, but the other three words are incorrect totally. If you are having to step into personal attacks, what does it say about your debating skills?


do patronizing is a good debating skill, then?

In the event of arguement from authority, definately. In other circumstances no.


so what authority does soph have over you, exactly.......... you were patronizing her

Trying the "I am gay so I know better than you because you are not" lark, perhaps?



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09 Aug 2007, 7:14 pm

Hadron wrote:
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Hadron wrote:
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Hadron wrote:
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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

Their rights? The straight people's right to stop the gay people getting married?
And you can't encourage people to be gay - they either are or they aren't. It will always be that people are encouraged to be straight over gay, because the vast majority of society is straight. It will never be that kids grow up and think they'll be gay instead of straight because society encourages that. All that would be encouraged is for people to be in a relationship with the person they want to be with, rather that forcing themselves to be straight when they're not. That benefits society.

Explain being Bisexual then. I thought you said people are or they are not gay.
As for people being gay, i believe it is choice people make, not a predisposition. I would like to think people have some control over their own actions.

Of course people have control over their own actions. lol Being gay is not an action. You've just shown what an ignorant as*hole you really are, congratulations.
Yes, you either are gay or you aren't. Bisexual isn't gay.

So what does being bisexual count as then. I would say it was a combination of being gay and straight, is it not. Provide evidence to the contrary that being gay is not an action/ behavior then!


you once chastized me for making a statment on an OLD thread at I2.........

so return the favor and READ this thread......... that has been answered

Different scenario, you were reigniting a massive flame war potentially, and you would have actually had to read the 20 pages to get a full understanding. If it was summable I would have done it there.
Can tell me how far down the thread to look then....


this thread IS a flame war (pun intended)

and you do seem to be starting stuff..........

i cant tell you what pg......... go read

i quit posting my responses on that thread @ I2 as soon as i realized.

but continue on... there are ppl here who only have a small repetoire of responses for things so im sure they'll just feed you what we regurgitated back onto them


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09 Aug 2007, 7:16 pm

Hadron wrote:
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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.


1.so majority is always right?

2.do you enjoy having to assimilate to the NT world?

1. The impact on the majority of people has to be balanced against the intrests of the minority. But no, i certianly dont hold the majorirty is always right belief.
2. No, but then a lot of time I dont have to. Much of the time I am respected for who I am, and people who tend to cause me trouble I can fight back in ways they cant retaliate against. Anyway we aspies will succeed NT's someday, the good old fun of evolution, but that is another matter.


so why pick a fight with the gays?

how are they causing you trouble? economics?

Economics, exactly and national instability. The UK is using immigration to the point of almost bursting, and it is already beginning to get nasty. That is my primary concern. The economic one is I want enough children to pay my pension when I retire.

Wouldn't be immigration an answer to the child birth reduction problem, if that's the case? Like China for example, they always had problems with overpopulation.

Anyway, gay marriage won't reduce child birth, it will be always the same, gay people always being gay, straight people always will be straight, bi always be, it doesn't have to change anything, only that some people will have the same rights as the majority, you really don't have a good argument to support that, only that being gay is a choice, which is proven wrong already. You don't have a good source to support your claims, Ragtime has the Bible, he's wrong but at least he has something. You on the other hand, don't.

Economy is not an issue for that, just an excuse, a lot of hate groups use that argument, Neonazis use the economy argument as well, you seem to really hate gay people, or maybe pure IGNORANCE? you also need to study and read more about human sexuality. That if you are being honest, unless you are just being a troll.


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09 Aug 2007, 7:17 pm

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How exactly does autism relate to this debate exactly? Two entirely different issues.


it's called an analogy.... im using something similar so you can (possibly) relate

however.... the relevance is that both being gay and AS are two things you dont have a choice about...

do you choose to act AS? if so quit bitching about all the things ive heard you b***h about elsewhere

And I think its a bad analogy, as I said, and Sopho has now partially admitted, some people choose to be gay, if not all. As for my "bitching", nice of you to lurk and not post.


well we all know that some of anything speaks for all :roll:

i hope to have more time soon to do more than lurk... have been busy with school and finishing and moving and life


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Call him out for?


havent given that much thought....

i'd just like to see you two have a battle of wits

much like you'd like to see some girls have a battle of tits


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09 Aug 2007, 7:21 pm

Hadron wrote:
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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.


1.so majority is always right?

2.do you enjoy having to assimilate to the NT world?

1. The impact on the majority of people has to be balanced against the intrests of the minority. But no, i certianly dont hold the majorirty is always right belief.
2. No, but then a lot of time I dont have to. Much of the time I am respected for who I am, and people who tend to cause me trouble I can fight back in ways they cant retaliate against. Anyway we aspies will succeed NT's someday, the good old fun of evolution, but that is another matter.


so why pick a fight with the gays?

how are they causing you trouble? economics?

Economics, exactly and national instability. The UK is using immigration to the point of almost bursting, and it is already beginning to get nasty. That is my primary concern. The economic one is I want enough children to pay my pension when I retire.


are you trying to suggest that homosexuals are the ONLY immigrants?


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09 Aug 2007, 7:24 pm

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were you denied a green card or something?

what a piece of work you are...

why exactly would massacres insue? lost me there....

things will change in the US eventually....


I suspect he's a troll, who doesn't actually believe any of the drivel he's saying but just wants to antagonise people. I don't really care, I'm just shooting down his arguments as they come up so that anyone reading this casually is aware of the flaws.

What arguements have you shot down exactly, I think the economic ones that I am going for stand actually.
As for me being a troll, Cal invited me here from Intensity. Nice try, but no cigar.


you have not elaborated on the economics... other than to say it affects the majority................

you pick/lose fights @ I2 as well lol

I wouldnt say I lose all of them, far from it in fact. Do you want to pick one with me then...
Look up on the economics...


i just read your pension thing and can see your angle forming...

but that's kinda the grasshopper and ant fable....... and i have no love for your ethics on that point


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Hadron wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
Hadron wrote:
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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.


1.so majority is always right?

2.do you enjoy having to assimilate to the NT world?

1. The impact on the majority of people has to be balanced against the intrests of the minority. But no, i certianly dont hold the majorirty is always right belief.
2. No, but then a lot of time I dont have to. Much of the time I am respected for who I am, and people who tend to cause me trouble I can fight back in ways they cant retaliate against. Anyway we aspies will succeed NT's someday, the good old fun of evolution, but that is another matter.


so why pick a fight with the gays?

how are they causing you trouble? economics?

Economics, exactly and national instability. The UK is using immigration to the point of almost bursting, and it is already beginning to get nasty. That is my primary concern. The economic one is I want enough children to pay my pension when I retire.

Wouldn't be immigration an answer to the child birth reduction problem, if that's the case. Like China for example, they always had problems with overpopulation.

Anyway, gay marriage won't reduce child birth, it will be always the same, gay people always being gay, straight people always will be straight, bi always be, it doesn't have to change anything, only that some people will have the same rights as the majority, you really don't have a good argument to support that, only that being gay is a choice, which is proven wrong already. You don't have a good source to support your claims, Ragtime has the Bible, at least he has something. You on the other hand, don't.

Economy is not an issue for that, just an excuse, a lot of hate groups use that argument, Neonazis use the economy argument as well, you seem to really hate gay people, you also need to study and read more about human sexuality. That if you are being honest, unless you are just being a troll.

Immigration causes an awful set of problems, and we are beginning to experience them in the UK, so no its not a good option at all.
For example we have are quite close to having a destabling amount of muslims in the UK, when culteral groups get too big, then it becomes difficult to integrate them, instead you get ghettos.
I have never been one for sourcing my arguements if my opposer does not do so, so dont lecture me on that one. I would love to see where being gay as a choice has been proven wrong already, it hasnt happened, and never will unless some proper research is done into the matter, when of course the ethics commitee idiots allow it.
Economics is a reason as far as I am concerned, if gay people could mate with each other then I would not have an objection. But for now they cant.



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you have not elaborated on the economics... other than to say it affects the majority................

It's something very known, that hate groups have used economy as their argument and excuse to support their hatred towards minorities.


so far... i see he's worried about himself and not the majority as he claims


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Sedaka, you're the most prolific poster on this thread. Come out of the closet already!


quit making assinign remarks to me or soph and either get back into the conversation or get out


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