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29 Nov 2016, 8:46 am

Darmok wrote:

I almost posted this over in the current Star Wars thread, but then I thought that would be unkind.

File this under, "SJWs Ruin Everything":

‘Star Wars’ Against Hate: ‘Rogue One’ Writers Get Political

Gary Whitta and Chris Weitz post image to show solidarity with those in fear of Trump presidency

Two of the writers who worked on “Rogue One: A Star Wars Story” jumped into the political fray on Friday with not-so subtle anti-Donald Trump messages.

“Please note that the Empire is a white supremacist (human) organization,” screenwriter Chris Weitz tweeted. Gary Whitta, who also worked on the film, followed up by adding, “Opposed by a multi-cultural group led by brave women.”

Both writers also changed their Twitter profile pictures to the symbol of the Rebel Alliance with a safety pin through it. The safety pin has become an anti-Trump symbol, with people wearing them to show minority groups and immigrants that they are safe with person wearing the pin.

http://www.thewrap.com/star-wars-agains ... political/

(Darth Vader didn't need a diaper pin.)

That the Empire is a bunch of racists and misogynists has been part of Star Wars for quite some time (We very rarely see aliens and women among the Empire), and artists are free to put their political opinions in their works if they want. (Do properly it can even enhance their works)

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30 Nov 2016, 1:16 pm

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What gives rights their power?

I'm not sure what you mean by power here.

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Is it the enforcement of those rights, or is it the claiming of those rights?

Rights exist independent of their enforcement.

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If you believe people have to figure rights out, how on earth can you hold any opinion regarding rights with the assumption that you've arrived at the right conclusion? Who is the authority over said rights? When you divorce rights from human authority, that is when they become wholly arbitrary.

It's a puzzle with no end. Authority really doesn't have anything to do with it - it's more about discussion and cooperation.

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The only rights I'm interested in are those granted and enforced by law, as those are the only rights I am empowered to uphold and defend.

So you support abortion rights then? That is the current law.

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If you mean in the sense of "according to preference" then all rights are arbitrary. If you mean "capricious and poorly-considered" then no, they've been through a process of legal and moral refinement for thousands of years.

Exactly. Thousands of years of thought and discussion with no end in the future.

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30 Nov 2016, 1:34 pm

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adifferentname wrote:

What gives rights their power?

I'm not sure what you mean by power here.

Power. Their capacity to influence.

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adifferentname wrote:

Is it the enforcement of those rights, or is it the claiming of those rights?

Rights exist independent of their enforcement.

No, they don't. Without force of law, we're left with might makes right (which legal rights are arguably a civilised version of).

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It's a puzzle with no end. Authority really doesn't have anything to do with it - it's more about discussion and cooperation.

And subsequent codification. Without said codification, what you have is an ideal, not a right.

There's no puzzle here. Human rights are granted conditionally depending on the society you're born into, or the one you happen to find yourself subject to if you travel.

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The only rights I'm interested in are those granted and enforced by law, as those are the only rights I am empowered to uphold and defend.

So you support abortion rights then? That is the current law.

Did I state that I blindly support the law, or that I'm only interested in rights which are enforced by law? What I am empowered to uphold and defend, I am also empowered to change.

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Exactly. Thousands of years of thought and discussion with no end in the future.

Welcome to humanity. We do this thing called "progress" that you might be interested in (not to be confused with "progressive"). Progress has no goal but itself.

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30 Nov 2016, 2:02 pm

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Human rights are granted conditionally depending on the society you're born into, or the one you happen to find yourself subject to if you travel.

Rights are not granted. They exist independent of human laws. They are neither powerful nor weak, they just are.

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We do this thing called "progress" that you might be interested in...

Why would you suspect I'm interested in progress? I am, but how is this relevant?

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30 Nov 2016, 2:19 pm

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Human rights are granted conditionally depending on the society you're born into, or the one you happen to find yourself subject to if you travel.

Rights are not granted. They exist independent of human laws. They are neither powerful nor weak, they just are.

They're literally laws. They can't exist independently of the law. Without the power of law to back-up your rights, you have nothing but a philosophical ideal, or desired ideological principle. Desiring something does not make it a right.

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30 Nov 2016, 2:29 pm

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androbot01 wrote:

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Human rights are granted conditionally depending on the society you're born into, or the one you happen to find yourself subject to if you travel.

Rights are not granted. They exist independent of human laws. They are neither powerful nor weak, they just are.

But if you follow the logic that laws represent right and wrong than you will have conflicts that are not reconcilable. For example, one country's law may say euthanasia is acceptable, while another county's will say the opposite. How can both be true?

Neither desire nor power come into it. Rights are intrinsic and have to be discovered by people through discussion and thought. What the law does is a separate issue.

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30 Nov 2016, 3:13 pm

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Human rights are granted conditionally depending on the society you're born into, or the one you happen to find yourself subject to if you travel.

Rights are not granted. They exist independent of human laws. They are neither powerful nor weak, they just are.

But if you follow the logic that laws represent right and wrong than you will have conflicts that are not reconcilable.

Laws are representative of the values of the society which they belong to. Right and wrong are morally subjective terms. Laws don't inform us what right and wrong are, they inform us what our societal ethics are.

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For example, one country's law may say euthanasia is acceptable, while another county's will say the opposite. How can both be true?

For exactly the same reason that you have people in a single country who disagree over abortion. Ethics and morality are not objective.

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Neither desire nor power come into it. Rights are intrinsic and have to be discovered by people through discussion and thought. What the law does is a separate issue.

All you have is a tautology. "Rights exist because they exist". Those aren't rights, they're ideas. Ideas become rights when you become entitled to them according to the rules of your society. Without societal approval, you have nothing. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, that's the reason for the existence of the 14th amendment, despite the ideological leanings of the Founding Fathers.

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30 Nov 2016, 3:54 pm

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Without societal approval, you have nothing.

What about your conscience? Mine is not governed by societal laws.

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30 Nov 2016, 3:57 pm

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Without societal approval, you have nothing.

What about your conscience? Mine is not governed by societal laws.

Your conscience doesn't grant you any rights.

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30 Nov 2016, 4:00 pm

I mean your conscience tells you what is right and what is wrong.

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30 Nov 2016, 6:00 pm

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I mean your conscience tells you what is right and what is wrong.

And your conscience is informed by social influences.

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01 Dec 2016, 9:57 pm

So does this mean the indoctrination didn't work, or does it mean that it did work? Or maybe all that attempted murder was just for some extra class credit.

Ohio State Knife Attacker Abdul Artan Was Taking a Class About Microaggressions
His group project was due later this week.

Before he was shot dead while attempting to murder a bunch of people with a car and a butcher's knife, Ohio State University student Abdul Artan—a Pakistani immigrant who reportedly became radicalized after learning about injustices committed against fellow Muslims—was enrolled in a class called "Crossing Identity Boundaries."

In fact, he had a group project on "microaggressions" due later this week. The assignment, worth 15 percent of his grade, required students to find a dozen examples of microaggressions on social media and explain which identity groups were the victims, according to the syllabus.

http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/01/ohio- ... l-artan-wa

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23 Dec 2016, 1:32 am

James Hetfield moved to 'quiet' Colorado to enjoy outdoors, escape 'elitist' Bay Area attitudes

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They talk about how diverse they are, and things like that, and it's fine if you're diverse like them. But showing up with a deer on the bumper doesn't fly in Marin County.

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James Hetfield moved to 'quiet' Colorado to enjoy outdoors, escape 'elitist' Bay Area attitudes

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They talk about how diverse they are, and things like that, and it's fine if you're diverse like them. But showing up with a deer on the bumper doesn't fly in Marin County.

I should feel so bad about a nearly 200 millionaire commercial artist having to settle with living in a different millionaire neighborhood because his feelings got hurt. This is just like that other thread with the other celebrities whining about how king celebrity/reality TV star became president.

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ASPartOfMe wrote:

James Hetfield moved to 'quiet' Colorado to enjoy outdoors, escape 'elitist' Bay Area attitudes

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They talk about how diverse they are, and things like that, and it's fine if you're diverse like them. But showing up with a deer on the bumper doesn't fly in Marin County.

He is whining about the subject of this thread.

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23 Dec 2016, 12:41 pm

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ASPartOfMe wrote:

James Hetfield moved to 'quiet' Colorado to enjoy outdoors, escape 'elitist' Bay Area attitudes

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They talk about how diverse they are, and things like that, and it's fine if you're diverse like them. But showing up with a deer on the bumper doesn't fly in Marin County.

It is not a matter of feeling bad for him but that he is whining about the subject of this thread. And it shows SJW mentality is not just a college campus thing anymore.

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