12 Oct 2021, 8:34 am
ASPartOfMe
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12 Oct 2021, 4:10 pm
12 Oct 2021, 5:25 pm
Jakki wrote:
Mr Orange : made tariffs on Chinese imports , restarted steel mills in the USA .
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
He is responsible for both the good and the bad, yes.
Some people simply can't see their "Confirmation Bias", however.
funeralxempire
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12 Oct 2021, 5:37 pm
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Mr Orange : made tariffs on Chinese imports , restarted steel mills in the USA .
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
He is responsible for both the good and the bad, yes.
Some people simply can't see their "Confirmation Bias", however.
It also depends on perspective. If you work in the US steel industry you might appreciate his actions there, if you work in an industry that uses steel you probably don't because Trump's tariffs raise your raw material costs.
12 Oct 2021, 5:43 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Mr Orange : made tariffs on Chinese imports , restarted steel mills in the USA .
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
He is responsible for both the good and the bad, yes.
Some people simply can't see their "Confirmation Bias", however.
It also depends on perspective. If you work in the US steel industry you might appreciate his actions there, if you work in an industry that uses steel you probably don't because Trump's tariffs raise your raw material costs.
You can be negatively or positively affected by a political decision *and* still be objective.
There seems to be a dearth of objectivity in America, however.
funeralxempire
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12 Oct 2021, 5:55 pm
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Mr Orange : made tariffs on Chinese imports , restarted steel mills in the USA .
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
He is responsible for both the good and the bad, yes.
Some people simply can't see their "Confirmation Bias", however.
It also depends on perspective. If you work in the US steel industry you might appreciate his actions there, if you work in an industry that uses steel you probably don't because Trump's tariffs raise your raw material costs.
You can be negatively or positively affected by a political decision *and* still be objective.
There seems to be a dearth of objectivity in America, however.
Indeed, but that lack of objectivity also comes up when evaluating what motivates people. When people want to frame their opponents as unthinking they'll insist they're all motivated by partisanship when they "refuse to give credit" for something that actually harms their interests.
What for one person is a mixed bag for another person might be an entirely terrible bag. They might be motivated by prejudices to declare the bag is entirely terrible inside, or they might be objectively evaluating it but yet as a rhetorical device people will resort to invalidating that objective evaluation as prejudiced merely because it doesn't match their own conclusions.
The accusation of the partisanship is the actual partisan action because it's made reflexively to achieve a rhetorical goal.
Folks can objectively look at the same facts and reach different conclusions if their perspectives and interests aren't aligned. It doesn't always indicate they're acting in bad faith or part of an agenda.
auntblabby
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12 Oct 2021, 6:14 pm
13 Oct 2021, 8:40 am
13 Oct 2021, 8:41 am
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Mr Orange : made tariffs on Chinese imports , restarted steel mills in the USA .
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
He is responsible for both the good and the bad, yes.
Some people simply can't see their "Confirmation Bias", however.
It also depends on perspective. If you work in the US steel industry you might appreciate his actions there, if you work in an industry that uses steel you probably don't because Trump's tariffs raise your raw material costs.
You can be negatively or positively affected by a political decision *and* still be objective.
There seems to be a dearth of objectivity in America, however.
Gas is pretty expensive now but at least there are no mean tweets.
funeralxempire
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13 Oct 2021, 8:49 am
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Mr Orange : made tariffs on Chinese imports , restarted steel mills in the USA .
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
He is responsible for both the good and the bad, yes.
Some people simply can't see their "Confirmation Bias", however.
It also depends on perspective. If you work in the US steel industry you might appreciate his actions there, if you work in an industry that uses steel you probably don't because Trump's tariffs raise your raw material costs.
You can be negatively or positively affected by a political decision *and* still be objective.
There seems to be a dearth of objectivity in America, however.
Gas is pretty expensive now but at least there are no mean tweets.
Gas was pretty expensive then too, but at least Americans can go to bed at night without worry about the shitstorm they'd wake up to in the morning because President Manchild couldn't stop tweeting the dumbest things that entered his head all night.
13 Oct 2021, 11:18 am
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Mr Orange : made tariffs on Chinese imports , restarted steel mills in the USA .
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
He is responsible for both the good and the bad, yes.
Some people simply can't see their "Confirmation Bias", however.
It also depends on perspective. If you work in the US steel industry you might appreciate his actions there, if you work in an industry that uses steel you probably don't because Trump's tariffs raise your raw material costs.
You can be negatively or positively affected by a political decision *and* still be objective.
There seems to be a dearth of objectivity in America, however.
Gas is pretty expensive now but at least there are no mean tweets.
Gas was pretty expensive then too, but at least Americans can go to bed at night without worry about the shitstorm they'd wake up to in the morning because President Manchild couldn't stop tweeting the dumbest things that entered his head all night.
Unlike Biden huh?
BTW Gas was about $1.50 a gallon in 2019 compared to $4.00 now.
13 Oct 2021, 11:24 am
13 Oct 2021, 11:35 am
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Mr Orange : made tariffs on Chinese imports , restarted steel mills in the USA .
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
He is responsible for both the good and the bad, yes.
Some people simply can't see their "Confirmation Bias", however.
It also depends on perspective. If you work in the US steel industry you might appreciate his actions there, if you work in an industry that uses steel you probably don't because Trump's tariffs raise your raw material costs.
You can be negatively or positively affected by a political decision *and* still be objective.
There seems to be a dearth of objectivity in America, however.
Gas is pretty expensive now but at least there are no mean tweets.
Gas was pretty expensive then too, but at least Americans can go to bed at night without worry about the shitstorm they'd wake up to in the morning because President Manchild couldn't stop tweeting the dumbest things that entered his head all night.
Rather have dumb tweets than $3.36/g gasoline and stranded civvies.
ASPartOfMe
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13 Oct 2021, 4:06 pm
13 Oct 2021, 5:17 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Mr Orange : made tariffs on Chinese imports , restarted steel mills in the USA .
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
He is responsible for both the good and the bad, yes.
Some people simply can't see their "Confirmation Bias", however.
It also depends on perspective. If you work in the US steel industry you might appreciate his actions there, if you work in an industry that uses steel you probably don't because Trump's tariffs raise your raw material costs.
You can be negatively or positively affected by a political decision *and* still be objective.
There seems to be a dearth of objectivity in America, however.
Gas is pretty expensive now but at least there are no mean tweets.
Gas was pretty expensive then too, but at least Americans can go to bed at night without worry about the shitstorm they'd wake up to in the morning because President Manchild couldn't stop tweeting the dumbest things that entered his head all night.
A "manchild" versus someone who is in obvious cognitive decline.?
I am astounded Amerians can't do betta.
13 Oct 2021, 5:29 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Jakki wrote:
Mr Orange : made tariffs on Chinese imports , restarted steel mills in the USA .
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
Orangeman bad bad bad.
STILL he shouldn't of messed with the healthcare ! ! ! ! ! !
He is responsible for both the good and the bad, yes.
Some people simply can't see their "Confirmation Bias", however.
It also depends on perspective. If you work in the US steel industry you might appreciate his actions there, if you work in an industry that uses steel you probably don't because Trump's tariffs raise your raw material costs.
You can be negatively or positively affected by a political decision *and* still be objective.
There seems to be a dearth of objectivity in America, however.
Indeed, but that lack of objectivity also comes up when evaluating what motivates people. When people want to frame their opponents as unthinking they'll insist they're all motivated by partisanship when they "refuse to give credit" for something that actually harms their interests.
What for one person is a mixed bag for another person might be an entirely terrible bag. They might be motivated by prejudices to declare the bag is entirely terrible inside, or they might be objectively evaluating it but yet as a rhetorical device people will resort to invalidating that objective evaluation as prejudiced merely because it doesn't match their own conclusions.
The accusation of the partisanship is the actual partisan action because it's made reflexively to achieve a rhetorical goal.
Folks can objectively look at the same facts and reach different conclusions if their perspectives and interests aren't aligned. It doesn't always indicate they're acting in bad faith or part of an agenda.
For one thing, I am not an American and not affected by everyday American politics.
And I am politically independent.
Being objective isn't a problem if you haven't a vested interest and do not engage in emotionalism.
It also helps big time if you have consciously focused on sussing out the Truth for most of your life.
Most people don't, and therein lies my advantage.
On the other hand, if I were a Kanadian, American politics would be my entire world. <facetious>
I can pick someone who embraces partisanship.
I can pick people who are hyperpartisan, also.
It isn't rocket surgery.
All it takes is to make the observation that some people *always* defend one side over the other.
As I said, you don't have to be Einstein's dog to connect the dots.
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