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09 Aug 2007, 7:30 pm

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Call him out for?

havent given that much thought....

i'd just like to see you two have a battle of wits

much like you'd like to see some girls have a battle of tits

Lol, i dont know why you would like to see me an Ragtime debate, and anyway I have nothing against him.

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09 Aug 2007, 7:32 pm

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How exactly does autism relate to this debate exactly? Two entirely different issues.

Different issues, similar problems, misjudgement, discimination, bullied, depression, suicidals. Get it?

If you think gay people are not born this way, and they choose it.
How can you be sure if autistic people are born that way too, maybe the refrigerator mothers theory appeals to you more.

The small difference of Autistic children showing symptoms at a young age and gay people deciding that they are gay at age 16 or there abouts.
Joe Capricorn. Prove its a lie then. Oh whoops, you cant!

that point is irrelevant cause it has to do with ontogeny.... ppl dont get sexual (well, yes things are starting to change) until their teens anyway

so what's your point (that you can argue effectively... yes teens are enticed a lot, but you can't make your claim due to simple biology)

Its very relevent, as you cannot prove that people who are gay are not simply making a choice. When someone does some decent research into the matter, then we shall find out, but it wont happen until someone is open minded enough to explore the issue.

jury is still out

neither side can say for sure 100%.... but most informed scientists agree that there is a genetic and environmental component to it (as with all traits)... there is a gradient of strength from the genetic component (Eg-sex determination in humans is purely chromosomal where as in turtles env. influences greatly)

so maybe bi people are cases of higher environmental influence where as strictly gay/straight have more genetic influence (and less choice)

yet it still asks a lot for bi people to deny their FEELINGS

and of course im not talking about the posuers.... just as anything on AS forums pertains to the poeple who actually have the conditions versus the people who feed off of it

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09 Aug 2007, 7:36 pm

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im still waiting to be impressed by the tremendous effects this would have on any economy... well, some countries in europe MAYBE... but you'll have to elaborate a little more on the population sturcture to be effective

Ok the birth rate goes down to a point where the population is not replenishing itself. This means you end up with a disproportionately older population over time. This older population wants to draw its pensions from the taxes, but if a smaller proportion of the population are working then there are less people to pay said taxes and their by pensions and more people needing pensions. If you want an example of a country where the problems are beginning to hit a little, look at Japan.[/quote]

k now were gettin somewhere! i think i said something referring to this kind of situation (euro countries) im tryin to catch up on the thread......

so my answer is gonna be from a tangent....

why dont you simply move to a country where this is not an issue... since you dont seem to have personal issues with gay/bi

this was your answer for soph... to be somewhere where the issue is not an issue

edit: besides... do you know how long it actually would take to change the population proportions? not within your lifetime for sure.... and you attack soph for worrying about others.... so why would you pretend to be so caring?

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09 Aug 2007, 7:38 pm

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were you denied a green card or something?

what a piece of work you are...

why exactly would massacres insue? lost me there....

things will change in the US eventually....

I suspect he's a troll, who doesn't actually believe any of the drivel he's saying but just wants to antagonise people. I don't really care, I'm just shooting down his arguments as they come up so that anyone reading this casually is aware of the flaws.

What arguements have you shot down exactly, I think the economic ones that I am going for stand actually.
As for me being a troll, Cal invited me here from Intensity. Nice try, but no cigar.

you have not elaborated on the economics... other than to say it affects the majority................

you pick/lose fights @ I2 as well lol

I wouldnt say I lose all of them, far from it in fact. Do you want to pick one with me then...
Look up on the economics...

i just read your pension thing and can see your angle forming...

but that's kinda the grasshopper and ant fable....... and i have no love for your ethics on that point

Hmm, i suppose I have never been fond of the ethics lark. Especially since the ethics are written by NT's

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09 Aug 2007, 7:41 pm

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so then, all great-wise-knowing-one, why is she angry

Beats me! She's got everything she wants: not married, allowed to be married to a woman, and full WrongPlanet posting privileges -- seems to me her glass is half full.

I'm on anti-depressants ffs, my life is hardly great...

he has no idea how to use an analogy..... think he meant half empty........

lololol

Wrong yet again, airhead. :roll:

you you're either being sacrcastic... which i figured is beyond you or what?

what does it generally mean to say someone's cup is 1/2 full vs 1/2 empty?

or are you implying that she has more room for knoweldge.

you gotta start learning to elaborate as there are many avenues you could have taken a wrong turn down

I've learned that elaborations don't work for you, poor thing...

and you've demonstrated you dont know the meaning of elaboration

so plz do elaborate.....

what did you mean by saying soph's cup was 1/2 full?

you were crapping on her negative view on life and said it was because her cup was half full.......

to say the least.... you were using the idiom in an unconventional way...

so by all means, elaborate and quite dancing (yet again)

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09 Aug 2007, 7:43 pm

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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

Their rights? The straight people's right to stop the gay people getting married?
And you can't encourage people to be gay - they either are or they aren't. It will always be that people are encouraged to be straight over gay, because the vast majority of society is straight. It will never be that kids grow up and think they'll be gay instead of straight because society encourages that. All that would be encouraged is for people to be in a relationship with the person they want to be with, rather that forcing themselves to be straight when they're not. That benefits society.

Explain being Bisexual then. I thought you said people are or they are not gay.
As for people being gay, i believe it is choice people make, not a predisposition. I would like to think people have some control over their own actions.

plz pm ragtime about his uber stringant experimentations with exploring homo. attraction lol

have you had relations with men? if you have.... why do you ask about bisexuality?

Nope I am as straight as a concrete reinforced pole. You dont seem to have mentioned your orientation in this thread Sedaka, forgive me if I missed it.
As for Ragtime, I probably dont want to know... His avatar is spooky enough with the missing top.

does my orientation matter?

i still think homosexuality is AOK

It helps to see what perspective you are arguing from. And what is AOK?

and as far as debating skills goes... it serves my purpose better to have you in the dark

plus it helps to get more earnest responses beyond cookie cutters that you have prepared for people on either side

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09 Aug 2007, 7:46 pm

Hadron wrote:

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Translation: Dear Sopho has lost the arguement and is a sore loser.
So what is my "type" anyway, go on. If you really want you can call me out on Intensity if you like.

I didn't even know you were on Intensity. I might do, but I can't be arsed getting into another thread right now.
Your 'type' is arrogant, conservative, mindless idiot.
I definately havn't lost any argument here lol

I suppose I could be arrogant, but the other three words are incorrect totally. If you are having to step into personal attacks, what does it say about your debating skills?

do patronizing is a good debating skill, then?

In the event of arguement from authority, definately. In other circumstances no.

so what authority does soph have over you, exactly.......... you were patronizing her

Trying the "I am gay so I know better than you because you are not" lark, perhaps?

you could sub in anything for that........ how is that an inherantly gay thing to say

such abstract reasons for hating gays

interesting

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09 Aug 2007, 7:46 pm

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k now were gettin somewhere! i think i said something referring to this kind of situation (euro countries) im tryin to catch up on the thread......

so my answer is gonna be from a tangent....

why dont you simply move to a country where this is not an issue... since you dont seem to have personal issues with gay/bi

this was your answer for soph... to be somewhere where the issue is not an issue

edit: besides... do you know how long it actually would take to change the population proportions? not within your lifetime for sure.... and you attack soph for worrying about others.... so why would you pretend to be so caring?[/quote]
I think the almost 50 years before I will be drawing a pension will have a big enough impact. It obviously depends at the exact rate in which this happens, and how much immigration happens.
As for moving away, i like my country how it is. Its the other people who are trying to change it in the wrong direction is the problem. We are so PC here it has gone mad, some of the stuff these days, such as positive discrimination and so on.
Where would you suggest I move to, anyway?

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09 Aug 2007, 7:48 pm

homosexuality is awesome! it's an effective form of population control. the guys help keep areas nice (ever been in a gay neighborhood? some of the best kept houses and apartments around!).

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09 Aug 2007, 7:50 pm

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Hmm, i suppose I have never been fond of the ethics lark. Especially since the ethics are written by NT's

theyre childrens stories... dealing with simple morals and such... nothing too complex

basically, the grasshopper does no work to get food all yr while the ants are ants and do... but when winter comes, he mooches off of them...

not saying you dont work... but you're still effectively promoting the mooching...

plus i said that before i heard your economics stuff fleshed out... so feel free to just ignore since it's kinda nix now

you cant learn from NTs?

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homosexuality is awesome! it's an effective form of population control. the guys help keep areas nice (ever been in a gay neighborhood? some of the best kept houses and apartments around!).

Exactly, population curbing where it is counter productive. Not so cool then.

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09 Aug 2007, 7:51 pm

Sedaka wrote:

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Sedaka wrote:

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so then, all great-wise-knowing-one, why is she angry

Beats me! She's got everything she wants: not married, allowed to be married to a woman, and full WrongPlanet posting privileges -- seems to me her glass is half full.

I'm on anti-depressants ffs, my life is hardly great...

he has no idea how to use an analogy..... think he meant half empty........

lololol

Wrong yet again, airhead. :roll:

I've learned that elaborations don't work for you, poor thing...

It means, as used on 3rd Rock from the Sun, that things are going well for her. If they used it wrong, fine, but that's how they used it. I know the more typical usage is for an optimist, but it's easy for anyone to get the meaning in how I used it.

But I think you and Sopho can make it work. Can't you see you're made for each other?

You obviously understand her completely, plus you like women, according to one of your latest posts.

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09 Aug 2007, 7:53 pm

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homosexuality is awesome! it's an effective form of population control. the guys help keep areas nice (ever been in a gay neighborhood? some of the best kept houses and apartments around!).

Exactly, population curbing where it is counter productive. Not so cool then.

population curbing is bad? someone better tell china!

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09 Aug 2007, 7:54 pm

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I think the almost 50 years before I will be drawing a pension will have a big enough impact. It obviously depends at the exact rate in which this happens, and how much immigration happens.
As for moving away, i like my country how it is. Its the other people who are trying to change it in the wrong direction is the problem. We are so PC here it has gone mad, some of the stuff these days, such as positive discrimination and so on.
Where would you suggest I move to, anyway?[/quote]

you give the same answers soph does for wanting her views understood accepted.

you two are tied

cut the babie in half

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09 Aug 2007, 7:55 pm

move to mars.... definitely...

realestate will be awesome there

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09 Aug 2007, 7:58 pm

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Hmm, i suppose I have never been fond of the ethics lark. Especially since the ethics are written by NT's

Oh you can learn from them, but the moral code is part of the society which can be such an horrible place for an aspie to be in. So I take it with a large amount of salt.
As for Mars, i prefer planet earth..

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