15 May 2019, 12:51 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
In a college economics course, you study the problem of the "FREE RIDER".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-rider_problem
Colloquially, "sponge", "mooch", "poor not paying their fair share".
The FREE RIDER wants to get a free ride, and not pay for it.
It's a problem for Socialism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-rider_problem
Colloquially, "sponge", "mooch", "poor not paying their fair share".
The FREE RIDER wants to get a free ride, and not pay for it.
It's a problem for Socialism.
Pretending poverty is the fault of the poor strikes me as borderline psychotic I must say.
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15 May 2019, 7:31 pm
EzraS wrote:
Those awful selfish scumbags look down on me and don't like me.
But does anyone like you?
Erm.
I like you.
auntblabby wrote:
there are a lot of ableists here, who look down their noses at the non-entreprenurially talented among us, IOW those of us that capitalism fails, in general.
I'm not an ableist.
My mother had me tested.
auntblabby wrote:
certain folks on this forum and in the larger american right wing, in a dissocial way, want all those things but just for themselves and their tribe. zip for everybody else, even life itself.
I can't see it myself.
Well, not to a significant degree.
You can be a conservative and still care about those less fortunate.
If it wasn't for luck, I'd be on welfare also.
I know you aren't directing your comment at me.
15 May 2019, 7:48 pm
16 May 2019, 1:43 am
Pepe wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Those awful selfish scumbags look down on me and don't like me.
But does anyone like you?
Erm.
I like you.
I was referring to the phenomenon of bemoaning how one is looked down upon by those they look down upon. Talk about how they're viewed as lazy moochers by those they deem selfish and corrupt. The contempt goes both ways.
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16 May 2019, 8:05 am
LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
cberg wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
In a college economics course, you study the problem of the "FREE RIDER".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-rider_problem
Colloquially, "sponge", "mooch", "poor not paying their fair share".
The FREE RIDER wants to get a free ride, and not pay for it.
It's a problem for Socialism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-rider_problem
Colloquially, "sponge", "mooch", "poor not paying their fair share".
The FREE RIDER wants to get a free ride, and not pay for it.
It's a problem for Socialism.
Pretending poverty is the fault of the poor strikes me as borderline psychotic I must say.
and not psychopathic? who in their right mind, with a heart that isn't several sizes too small, thinks for real that the poor [after being systematically dunned for everything and its brother] CAN further afford to pay "their fair share" [whatever the hell that is, but in reality what amounts to paying the lions' share of everything]?
Trump and many GOP.
They advocate putting able-bodied welfare recipients to work.
Trump administration moves to enforce work requirements for able-bodied adults receiving food stamps
https://www.thecentersquare.com/nationa ... 2f4f0.html
Good.
I'm pretty thoroughly disabled significant special needs and all that. But if there's any way for me to work a job to earn a living for myself I will work it.
Who knows I might even - god forbid - become prosperous
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16 May 2019, 7:34 pm
16 May 2019, 7:47 pm
16 May 2019, 8:01 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
Trump and many GOP.
They advocate putting able-bodied welfare recipients to work.
Trump administration moves to enforce work requirements for able-bodied adults receiving food stamps
https://www.thecentersquare.com/nationa ... 2f4f0.html
They advocate putting able-bodied welfare recipients to work.
Trump administration moves to enforce work requirements for able-bodied adults receiving food stamps
https://www.thecentersquare.com/nationa ... 2f4f0.html
To help combat an attitude of entitlement and motivate those who don't have this to establish a different mindset.
Why is it wrong to contribute to society for taxpayer dollars?
I dare say most people don't enjoy their work.
Most work to live, not live to work.
And it would establish good habits which will come in handy when/if a job is secured.
"...able-bodied" (and able-minded) is the key here.
There are some in the community who need welfare and are not in a position to work.
We are not talking about those people.
Surely this is self-evident?
16 May 2019, 8:43 pm
LoveNotHate wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
cberg wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
In a college economics course, you study the problem of the "FREE RIDER".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-rider_problem
Colloquially, "sponge", "mooch", "poor not paying their fair share".
The FREE RIDER wants to get a free ride, and not pay for it.
It's a problem for Socialism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-rider_problem
Colloquially, "sponge", "mooch", "poor not paying their fair share".
The FREE RIDER wants to get a free ride, and not pay for it.
It's a problem for Socialism.
Pretending poverty is the fault of the poor strikes me as borderline psychotic I must say.
and not psychopathic? who in their right mind, with a heart that isn't several sizes too small, thinks for real that the poor [after being systematically dunned for everything and its brother] CAN further afford to pay "their fair share" [whatever the hell that is, but in reality what amounts to paying the lions' share of everything]?
Trump and many GOP.
They advocate putting able-bodied welfare recipients to work.
Trump administration moves to enforce work requirements for able-bodied adults receiving food stamps
https://www.thecentersquare.com/nationa ... 2f4f0.html
Forcing people to work or starve is not job creation. I make $25 per hour & create more jobs than that.
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16 May 2019, 8:45 pm
Pepe wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Trump and many GOP.
They advocate putting able-bodied welfare recipients to work.
Trump administration moves to enforce work requirements for able-bodied adults receiving food stamps
https://www.thecentersquare.com/nationa ... 2f4f0.html
They advocate putting able-bodied welfare recipients to work.
Trump administration moves to enforce work requirements for able-bodied adults receiving food stamps
https://www.thecentersquare.com/nationa ... 2f4f0.html
To help combat an attitude of entitlement and motivate those who don't have this to establish a different mindset.
Why is it wrong to contribute to society for taxpayer dollars?
I dare say most people don't enjoy their work.
Most work to live, not live to work.
And it would establish good habits which will come in handy when/if a job is secured.
"...able-bodied" (and able-minded) is the key here.
There are some in the community who need welfare and are not in a position to work.
We are not talking about those people.
Surely this is self-evident?
You're actually talking about everyone since you aren't in any place to make determinations about other people's ability. It's a free country, working or not is their & your choice.
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-Georges Lemaitre
"I fly through hyperspace, in my green computer interface"
-Gem Tos
16 May 2019, 9:08 pm
cberg wrote:
Pepe wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Trump and many GOP.
They advocate putting able-bodied welfare recipients to work.
Trump administration moves to enforce work requirements for able-bodied adults receiving food stamps
https://www.thecentersquare.com/nationa ... 2f4f0.html
They advocate putting able-bodied welfare recipients to work.
Trump administration moves to enforce work requirements for able-bodied adults receiving food stamps
https://www.thecentersquare.com/nationa ... 2f4f0.html
To help combat an attitude of entitlement and motivate those who don't have this to establish a different mindset.
Why is it wrong to contribute to society for taxpayer dollars?
I dare say most people don't enjoy their work.
Most work to live, not live to work.
And it would establish good habits which will come in handy when/if a job is secured.
"...able-bodied" (and able-minded) is the key here.
There are some in the community who need welfare and are not in a position to work.
We are not talking about those people.
Surely this is self-evident?
You're actually talking about everyone since you aren't in any place to make determinations about other people's ability. It's a free country, working or not is their & your choice.
I'm having trouble understanding your point.
What I have done wrong is not reading the link presented by "LoveNotHate".
I was going to delete my post you replied to because it is actually addressing something else here in Oz.
Unfortunately, you were too quick for me.
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