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09 Aug 2007, 8:02 pm

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Encoraging people to be homosexual has economic and social implications on the society in which that happens. That is my issue with it, i have no religious prejudices or anything like that. The implications affect the vast majority of people who are not gay, and I believe their rights are a big part of the equation.

1.so majority is always right?

2.do you enjoy having to assimilate to the NT world?

1. The impact on the majority of people has to be balanced against the intrests of the minority. But no, i certianly dont hold the majorirty is always right belief.
2. No, but then a lot of time I dont have to. Much of the time I am respected for who I am, and people who tend to cause me trouble I can fight back in ways they cant retaliate against. Anyway we aspies will succeed NT's someday, the good old fun of evolution, but that is another matter.

so why pick a fight with the gays?

how are they causing you trouble? economics?

Economics, exactly and national instability. The UK is using immigration to the point of almost bursting, and it is already beginning to get nasty. That is my primary concern. The economic one is I want enough children to pay my pension when I retire.

Wouldn't be immigration an answer to the child birth reduction problem, if that's the case. Like China for example, they always had problems with overpopulation.

Anyway, gay marriage won't reduce child birth, it will be always the same, gay people always being gay, straight people always will be straight, bi always be, it doesn't have to change anything, only that some people will have the same rights as the majority, you really don't have a good argument to support that, only that being gay is a choice, which is proven wrong already. You don't have a good source to support your claims, Ragtime has the Bible, at least he has something. You on the other hand, don't.

Economy is not an issue for that, just an excuse, a lot of hate groups use that argument, Neonazis use the economy argument as well, you seem to really hate gay people, you also need to study and read more about human sexuality. That if you are being honest, unless you are just being a troll.

Immigration causes an awful set of problems, and we are beginning to experience them in the UK, so no its not a good option at all.
For example we have are quite close to having a destabling amount of muslims in the UK, when culteral groups get too big, then it becomes difficult to integrate them, instead you get ghettos.
I have never been one for sourcing my arguements if my opposer does not do so, so dont lecture me on that one. I would love to see where being gay as a choice has been proven wrong already, it hasnt happened, and never will unless some proper research is done into the matter, when of course the ethics commitee idiots allow it.
Economics is a reason as far as I am concerned, if gay people could mate with each other then I would not have an objection. But for now they cant.

There are scientific studies that suggests that sexual orientation is determined by biological factors, wether is a genetic factor or something programed in the brain, yes, this is not 100%. Some people suggest that environment in early childhood can be an influence besides the biological part. Anyway I am convinced this is not a choice, that's because gay people (not bi) can't change with therapy, they can get any kind of therapies and they will never become straight, if this would be more of an enviormental factor and actually a choice, then any gay person will change and become straight with therapy, but that doesn't happen.

I don't think there is a 100% sure thing about what causes people being left handed as well, or do people choose to be left handed and right handed?

And also I take the word from friends I know here, who are either gay or bi, I don't have to be gay myself to understand them, to sympathize with them, to support them, people just have to be more open minded about this things. We are not living in the 20th century anymore.

I don't see how this will reduce child birth, you think with gay marriage being legal, as a majority of people being straight I don't see the real problem, you just say that people will choose to be with the same gender after that, which is really a ridiculous assumption.

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09 Aug 2007, 8:08 pm

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homosexuality is awesome! it's an effective form of population control. the guys help keep areas nice (ever been in a gay neighborhood? some of the best kept houses and apartments around!).

Exactly, population curbing where it is counter productive. Not so cool then.

population curbing is bad? someone better tell china!

The chinese dont tend to take pensions for as long.

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09 Aug 2007, 8:10 pm

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Hadron wrote:

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Hadron wrote:

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1.so majority is always right?

2.do you enjoy having to assimilate to the NT world?

so why pick a fight with the gays?

how are they causing you trouble? economics?

There are scientific studies that suggests that sexual orientation is determined by biological factors, wether is a genetic factor or something programed in the brain, yes, this is not 100%. Some people suggest that environment in early childhood can be an influence besides the biological part, anyway, I am convinced this is not a choice, that's because gay people (not bi) can't change with therapy, they can get any kind of therapies and they will never become straight, if this would be more of an enviormental factor and actually a choice, then any gay person will change and become straight with therapy, but that doesn't happen.

I don't think there is a 100% sure thing about what causes people being left handed as well, or do people choose to be left handed and right handed?

And also I take the word from friends I know here, who are either gay or bi, I don't have to be gay myself to understand them, to sympathize with them, to support them, people just have to be more open minded about this things. We are not living in the 20th century anymore.

I don't see how this will reduce child birth, you think with gay marriage being legal, as a majority of people being straight I don't see the real problem, you just say that people will choose to be with the same gender after that, which is really a ridiculous assumption.

I think some people choose to be gay, and by promoting homosexuality you will be only increasing the "gay community". Hence my arguement. Lack of promotion would not turn every gay straight, but it would have quite a measurable impact.

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09 Aug 2007, 8:14 pm

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It means, as used on 3rd Rock from the Sun, that things are going well for her. If they used it wrong, fine, but that's how they used it. I know the more typical usage is for an optimist, but it's easy for anyone to get the meaning in how I used it.

But I think you and Sopho can make it work. Can't you see you're made for each other?

You obviously understand her completely, plus you like women, according to one of your latest posts.

you've shown that you understand the conventional sense denotes somone is optomistic....

and since you were crapping on her for being pessimistic... you should see how it is NOT so obvious through your use as to what you were meaning.... i still dont know

thank you for elaborating some... but to complete it and give it relevance... you have to explain the 3rd rock context... cause right now it just sounds like an excuse for poor writing

cause just dropping names does not make your mud any more clear

you'd like to think about me and soph (not her avatar)

keep dreaming

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09 Aug 2007, 8:17 pm

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But I think you and Sopho can make it work. Can't you see you're made for each other?

You obviously understand her completely, plus you like women, according to one of your latest posts.

and you've expressed sinful delight in contemplating sucking/f*****g penises................... are you gay?

and no, i dont pretend to understand soph or her perspective at all... i do have disdain for ppl who think they do.

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09 Aug 2007, 8:20 pm

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What you say is that by increasing the gay community, a lof of straight people will turn gay?

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09 Aug 2007, 8:20 pm

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homosexuality is awesome! it's an effective form of population control. the guys help keep areas nice (ever been in a gay neighborhood? some of the best kept houses and apartments around!).

Exactly, population curbing where it is counter productive. Not so cool then.

population curbing is bad? someone better tell china!

and india!

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09 Aug 2007, 8:22 pm

Sedaka: Again, stop talking like a teacher. We are not in your classroom, I am not your student, and you cannot rap my knuckles with a ruler or keep me after school. And you're not really one to critique clarity of writing, from the poor quality of your replies.

Advice: Get over yourself; get your head deflated/examined.

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09 Aug 2007, 8:22 pm

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What you say is that by increasing the gay community, a lof of straight people will turn gay?

To a degree yes. And Bisexuals will choose to undertake a lot more homosexual relationships.

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09 Aug 2007, 8:22 pm

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you cant learn from NTs?

Oh you can learn from them, but the moral code is part of the society which can be such an horrible place for an aspie to be in. So I take it with a large amount of salt.
As for Mars, i prefer planet earth..

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just like i bet gay people think the moral code of your part of society is horrible too

tied again

shall we quarter the baby?

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09 Aug 2007, 8:23 pm

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But I think you and Sopho can make it work. Can't you see you're made for each other?

You obviously understand her completely,

I think that would be hot

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09 Aug 2007, 8:29 pm

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and i am not in your church... within range of the brainwashing machine

i simply ask you to be coherrant and logical and not doge things......

you still are avoiding clarifying your mystical meaning of "1/2 full" ... i have not seen 3rd rock in yrs... so who knows

ive lost patience with your attitude so your pleas fall on deaf ears....

funny how since the conversation has left your biblical arena... that you have absolutely nothing worthwhile to contribute to the debate.... other than calling me an airhead/queer/and other :roll:

clearly you DO only hate gays because the bible says so

i dunno if that's good or bad

i dont care

name calling ftw!

edit: i also lol@ your accussation of the poor quality of my posts..........

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09 Aug 2007, 8:31 pm

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What you say is that by increasing the gay community, a lof of straight people will turn gay?

To a degree yes. And Bisexuals will choose to undertake a lot more homosexual relationships.

That's absolutly ridiculous, if what you claim is true, then it is already happening, wether gay people can legally get married or not.
You just say that because you find same sex relationships repulsive, c'mon admit it.

Is your so called economy stability more important than human rights?
Maybe you are thinking about an utopian society for yourself that hopefuly will never exist?

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09 Aug 2007, 9:18 pm

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But she has so much to teach you! Why do you always resort to name calling and personal attacks when you're on the back foot, or when something doesn't go you way? It is unbecoming of you. My theory is that when you know you can't win, you like to distract the other person with said attacks in the hope that they will respond in kind and forget the topic in question. That, or you hope they'll lose their cool and look like an idiot, completely discrediting them. Poor form, Rags.

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