10 Aug 2007, 11:06 am
JoeCapricorn wrote:
Fifty pages...
And no one has presented any logical reason why gay marriage should be banned. No one has presented any logical reason why gay rights should be limited.
The closest is Ragtime's religious arguments, but in countries where religion does not dictate the law (The United States for example), that argument isn't even constitutional. (I.E. Banning gay marriage because it goes against the Bible violates freedom of religion and the establishment clause - there are even Christian churches that support gay marriage)
Otherwise every argument made against gay people has been easily debunked. 50 pages of all that.
And no one has presented any logical reason why gay marriage should be banned. No one has presented any logical reason why gay rights should be limited.
The closest is Ragtime's religious arguments, but in countries where religion does not dictate the law (The United States for example), that argument isn't even constitutional. (I.E. Banning gay marriage because it goes against the Bible violates freedom of religion and the establishment clause - there are even Christian churches that support gay marriage)
Otherwise every argument made against gay people has been easily debunked. 50 pages of all that.
Wow. An unconvincably biased person is still unconvinced that gay marriage is wrong.
Ya, that's pretty suprising, Joe.
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10 Aug 2007, 11:52 am
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Ok, the netherlands has a significantly higher rate of gay relationships than the UK. Now do you know what I am getting at?
They also have lower instances of teenage pregnancies and STDs among young people. We should be aiming for a society more like theirs if anything. And the economy there seems to be doing fine as well.
he's missing the key point that the age structure of countries is not directly linked to the proportion of the gay comunity... but has more to do with the size of families in straight relationships (and gay... they do adopt you know) and jobs available within that country.
even if everyone never had another kid, it'd take a while (i know he doesnt think so) to even put a dent in changing the age structure of any country.
it's a weak argument.... look at emmigration in those countries and you'll see that's more of an issue than immigration or whatevr he wants to say....
He doesn't seem to like immigration either.
I dont object to immigration per se, but i do when it gets to the rate we have it at. It is at the potentially destabilising level now, there is a limit to what the UK can cope with.
immigrants can have kids too (just like gay couples)......... so what's your beef?
it's when ppl leave the country to have kids eslsewhere that's more of a problem
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10 Aug 2007, 12:03 pm
Ragtime wrote:
JoeCapricorn wrote:
Fifty pages...
And no one has presented any logical reason why gay marriage should be banned. No one has presented any logical reason why gay rights should be limited.
The closest is Ragtime's religious arguments, but in countries where religion does not dictate the law (The United States for example), that argument isn't even constitutional. (I.E. Banning gay marriage because it goes against the Bible violates freedom of religion and the establishment clause - there are even Christian churches that support gay marriage)
Otherwise every argument made against gay people has been easily debunked. 50 pages of all that.
And no one has presented any logical reason why gay marriage should be banned. No one has presented any logical reason why gay rights should be limited.
The closest is Ragtime's religious arguments, but in countries where religion does not dictate the law (The United States for example), that argument isn't even constitutional. (I.E. Banning gay marriage because it goes against the Bible violates freedom of religion and the establishment clause - there are even Christian churches that support gay marriage)
Otherwise every argument made against gay people has been easily debunked. 50 pages of all that.
Wow. An unconvincably biased person is still unconvinced that gay marriage is wrong.
Ya, that's pretty suprising, Joe.well when the opposing said cannot directly say WHY.... why should they suddenly switch?
we have provided lots of WHY NOTS (why homo. is not wrong)
but so far for why it's wrong... whe have:
cause god says so (though we dont know (care?) why)
and that gays will decline the birthrate in any one country so much that people cant retire... even though there is no evidence that they could even possibly do so... since they are not a majority... they have babies... and it's the lacking economy for a bigger population that is the limiting factor
if you're gonna ask us to list the WHY NOTS again
id ask you to at least summarize what you think our points are... like i have done for your side
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10 Aug 2007, 1:04 pm
Sedaka wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Ok, the netherlands has a significantly higher rate of gay relationships than the UK. Now do you know what I am getting at?
They also have lower instances of teenage pregnancies and STDs among young people. We should be aiming for a society more like theirs if anything. And the economy there seems to be doing fine as well.
he's missing the key point that the age structure of countries is not directly linked to the proportion of the gay comunity... but has more to do with the size of families in straight relationships (and gay... they do adopt you know) and jobs available within that country.
even if everyone never had another kid, it'd take a while (i know he doesnt think so) to even put a dent in changing the age structure of any country.
it's a weak argument.... look at emmigration in those countries and you'll see that's more of an issue than immigration or whatevr he wants to say....
He doesn't seem to like immigration either.
I dont object to immigration per se, but i do when it gets to the rate we have it at. It is at the potentially destabilising level now, there is a limit to what the UK can cope with.
immigrants can have kids too (just like gay couples)......... so what's your beef?
it's when ppl leave the country to have kids eslsewhere that's more of a problem
That is the problem. Immigrants have kids faster than we do, within ghettos. Then we all sit down and wait for racial violence to start up.
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10 Aug 2007, 1:31 pm
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
So nothing I could say will change your feelings, which you've let control your perception of reality.
Making assumptions about me again. That's not true at all. I can't believe I'm being criticised on my perception of reality by a Christian...
Gee, take your own advise:
Sopho wrote:
Making assumptions about me again.
You assume that because I'm a Christian I know nothing. That immediately weakens your credibility. For, Dr. John Warwick Montgomery is a conservative Christian who holds all my views, and has 11 earned degrees, including in law and human rights. He also pratices as a barrister in the U.K.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Warwick_Montgomery
But you would argue that, because he's a Christian, he must know little or nothing. How sad for you...
