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09 Dec 2024, 9:37 pm

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I was hinting at the irony of a man who seems to sneer at the bible and its different descriptions of God and his tendencies, and in particular God and some of his more 'authoritative' feats and yet he seems to have the tendencies of the perceived God that he diminishes with his words.

Is this a manifestation of "worship", I wonder? A free pass on "his tendencies" and "more 'authoritative' feats"? :chin:

I'd be interested to see reports of Dawkins indulging in any of the activities recorded of the Christian god.
Seems he has a way to go yet and until he gets there, it's not ironic.

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09 Dec 2024, 11:35 pm

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Just to be clear, no one accused of witchcraft was ever "burned at the stake" in the USA, and those that were executed in the New World met their deaths under the auspices of the English government, usually by hanging.

"Other countries are available".

300 years on, will thousands of women burned as witches finally get justice?

What would be "justice" for people dead for 300 years? Monetary restitution to all their descendants?

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10 Dec 2024, 6:29 pm

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What would be "justice" for people dead for 300 years? Monetary restitution to all their descendants?

Justice delayed is justice denied.
Those women were falsely accused and unjustly killed - that should not go unaddressed; their lives had value.

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10 Dec 2024, 7:16 pm

Cornflake wrote:

Fnord wrote:

What would be "justice" for people dead for 300 years? Monetary restitution to all their descendants?

Justice delayed is justice denied.
Those women were falsely accused and unjustly killed -- that should not go unaddressed; their lives had value.

Tell it to HRM King Charles III and the rest of the European leaders.

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10 Dec 2024, 8:54 pm

A computer will do what you tell it to do, but that may be much different from what you had in mind.” ― Joseph Weizenbaum

Before you marry a person, you should first make them use a computer with slow Internet service to see who they really are.” —Will Ferrell

It was really said that some critical industries could or shouldn't use Microsoft, like remote surgery, you can't have blue screen or system crash BUT now they defining AI security and deploying Microsoft AI despite critical warning levels.

Always said a lack of planning on your side doesn't constitute an emergency on my behalf.

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11 Dec 2024, 8:54 am

Fnord wrote:

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Justice delayed is justice denied.
Those women were falsely accused and unjustly killed - that should not go unaddressed; their lives had value.

Tell it to HRM King Charles III and the rest of the European leaders.

Really? Whataboutery? :roll:

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11 Dec 2024, 7:17 pm

Cornflake wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Cornflake wrote:

Justice delayed is justice denied.
Those women were falsely accused and unjustly killed - that should not go unaddressed; their lives had value.

Tell it to HRM King Charles III and the rest of the European leaders.

Really? Whataboutery? :roll:

No. In reference to the "witch burnings", they occurred in Europe, not the United States.

So, if retributions for those "witch burnings are in order, go tell it to HRM King Charles III and the rest of the European leaders.

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11 Dec 2024, 10:36 pm

We're only condemning witch-burnings, other murders committed due to witchcraft allegations are a-ok.

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11 Dec 2024, 11:03 pm

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We're only condemning witch-burnings, other murders committed due to witchcraft allegations are a-ok.

Again, the executions for witchcraft did not occur in the USA, but in Europe and the “English Colonies in the New World” under the auspices of the English King and other European rulers.

It was about a century before the USA even existed.

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11 Dec 2024, 11:42 pm

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We're only condemning witch-burnings, other murders committed due to witchcraft allegations are a-ok.

They were committed by the people who were involved in founding America no matter how you slice it. No 13 colonies, no America. You can't well ackshully your way past that.

Further, witch trials and persecution on the basis of claims of witchcraft didn't cease to occur after the American revolution. The murder of the Witch of Esperance (late 1700s), along with trials against Jane Kanniff (~1815) and Daniel Spofford (1878) come to mind

Even as recently as 1971 a woman by the name of Ann Stewart lost her job after being accused of being a witch (in Arizona).

It seems like America was not immune to taking accusations of witchcraft seriously even after it was independent from the UK.

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12 Dec 2024, 5:50 am

funeralxempire wrote:

Fnord wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

We're only condemning witch-burnings, other murders committed due to witchcraft allegations are a-ok.

Again, the executions for witchcraft did not occur in the USA, but in Europe and the “English Colonies in the New World” under the auspices of the English King and other European rulers. It was about a century before the USA even existed.

They were committed by the people who were involved in founding America no matter how you slice it . . .

Well screw that and the horse it rode in on. The people involved in rebellion against the British monarchy had not been born yet.

Come to think of it, the Crown-sanctioned Salem Witch trials preceded the First Amendment, which guaranteed the separation of church and state, and which in turn was inspired by events wherein the Crown prosecuted people on religious grounds . . . like executing people for alleged crimes against the established religious order . . . crimes like heresy . . . being a Jew . . . witchcraft . . .

I owe no reparations for crimes I did not commit -- deal with it.

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