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12 Feb 2017, 12:41 pm

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Warren seems to have the same mental condition as Rachel Dolezal.

Pretend to be a minority, so people will think you're a victim of [oppression, disadvantage ....].

However, since they desire that, the opposite is likely true.

It's possible that she really believed it if she was told by family.She should have done research as an adult before claiming it however.On one of the genealogical tv shows there was a woman who was sure she was part native,her family had always claimed it.But when the records and DNA were researched it was negative.


That's my take on it.

Even if she did testing and found she is truly 3% American Indian (1/32) as she thinks, to actually claim that 3% as who you are indicates a mental condition.

Something is lacking, and she uses the minority status to fulfill it.

Maybe, she thought she was too boring, so she uses the Indian heritage to make herself seem interesting.

If she strongly identified with that culture I wouldn't exactly call it a mental condition.It wouldn't be right to reap benefits fromthat small amount of blood connection.
I'm not sure if she's ever advocated for Native rights.
I think some people just like the romance of it.Maybe she was really into Cher's "Halfbreed" song as a teen. :D
Maybe a way for some to rebel against white culture?
In the Old South they used to go by the "one drop" rule,if you had even a drop of blood that was not white,you were considered a person of color.


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12 Feb 2017, 10:30 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
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Misslizard wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Warren seems to have the same mental condition as Rachel Dolezal.

Pretend to be a minority, so people will think you're a victim of [oppression, disadvantage ....].

However, since they desire that, the opposite is likely true.

It's possible that she really believed it if she was told by family.She should have done research as an adult before claiming it however.On one of the genealogical tv shows there was a woman who was sure she was part native,her family had always claimed it.But when the records and DNA were researched it was negative.


That's my take on it.

Even if she did testing and found she is truly 3% American Indian (1/32) as she thinks, to actually claim that 3% as who you are indicates a mental condition.

Something is lacking, and she uses the minority status to fulfill it.

Maybe, she thought she was too boring, so she uses the Indian heritage to make herself seem interesting.


Have you heard Warren speak? There isn't a thing boring about her fiery oratory.


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12 Feb 2017, 10:34 pm

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The legality of it is so unquestionable, it would be unfathomable that SCOTUS would rule against it without creating law which is not in their jurisdiction. This is not a dictatorship of judges! Pick your battles, this hysteria about everything Trump does is not conducive to a better end for you or me. We have a lying propagandist press that is at war with the president and the American people, they spread misinformation and create these false narratives because the interests they represents are unwilling to cede the power cede the power they have gained. They are not your friends and their interests are not your own, I do not be believe they speak for the majority of the American people.

The truth is we're are coming to a point in our civilization to where we need to make some really consequential decisions, we have the power to decide the fate our nation like at few other points in history and in our republican form of democracy it will ultimately be decided by the voters. Elections have consequences and never has a truer statement ever been said! Ultimately the issue with an even numbered court is that it kicks decisions down the road and we have a qualified judge nominated to the court that at this time. We may have a constitutional crisis which can legally be solved by our congress or by convention as called by the states.


The judiciary is a separate power, equal and separate from the executive and legislative branches. We don't have a dictatorship of judges because of checks and balances, just as we don't have a dictatorship of the executive branch.
And lying propagandist press? How so? By not reporting on all terrorist attacks, such as the Bowling Green massacre? :P


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12 Feb 2017, 11:23 pm

You mean a planning to supply terrorists in Iraq with weapons and money was confused with carrying one out on US-soil. And they admitted a mistake was made?

How about describing groups like Al-Nusra as moderates. Or how only 'moderate' groups received training and weaponry from the CIA. I do not remember the MSM being all that critical towards that claim.



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13 Feb 2017, 12:05 am

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There was a book published a few years ago called "Liberal Fascism." Many people on the left mocked the very idea. The election aftermath has pretty much shown the title was on target.


I started drawing that conclusion on my own a few months ago. Post election behavior form the left has solidified my opinion.

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This election? In which a Republican has been elected president, has started persecuting people based on nationality, has starting stripping people of access to their rights, and has clamped down on freedom of speech and freedom of the press?


I think it's based more on being in the country illegally. And putting tighter controls over who comes into the country from ISIS hotspots. I think it being referred to as persecution seems maudlin. Clamping down on blatantly yellow journalism seems long overdue. Apparently freedom of the press has been exploited and abused.

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This has only shown that the right is closer to fascism than the left. We wouldn't be seeing any of this lunacy with Obama or Clinton as President


It seems to me that's probably because of Obama being a complacent pushover. Along with destroying healthcare for the working class. Playing golf whilst Rome burns. And ringing up 6 trillion in debt. Clinton most likely would have just perpetuated the status quo and maybe worse.



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13 Feb 2017, 2:29 am

EzraS wrote:
Darmok wrote:
There was a book published a few years ago called "Liberal Fascism." Many people on the left mocked the very idea. The election aftermath has pretty much shown the title was on target.


I started drawing that conclusion on my own a few months ago. Post election behavior form the left has solidified my opinion.

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This election? In which a Republican has been elected president, has started persecuting people based on nationality, has starting stripping people of access to their rights, and has clamped down on freedom of speech and freedom of the press?


I think it's based more on being in the country illegally. And putting tighter controls over who comes into the country from ISIS hotspots. I think it being referred to as persecution seems maudlin. Clamping down on blatantly yellow journalism seems long overdue. Apparently freedom of the press has been exploited and abused.

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This has only shown that the right is closer to fascism than the left. We wouldn't be seeing any of this lunacy with Obama or Clinton as President


It seems to me that's probably because of Obama being a complacent pushover. Along with destroying healthcare for the working class. Playing golf whilst Rome burns. And ringing up 6 trillion in debt. Clinton most likely would have just perpetuated the status quo and maybe worse.


Yellow journalism? You mean like Fox and Breitbart?
And as the ACA is being defended across the country by desperate people at town hall meetings fearing for the loss of the only health coverage they've had in years, I think the charge that Obama had destroyed healthcare for the working class is overblown.
And even if the fear of ISIS agents coming to America is legit, are we supposed to allow thousands of innocent people fleeing torture and death to be sent back to their fate? This Muslim ban has more to do with race and religion than with security, as the brown shirt wannabe, Steve Bannon, banned even legal residents and those with green cards.


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13 Feb 2017, 3:01 am

A "shadow government" ran by Obama. :roll:

How Obama is scheming to sabotage Trump’s presidency. http://tiny.iavian.net/f86o


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13 Feb 2017, 5:20 am

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Yellow journalism? You mean like Fox and Breitbart?
And as the ACA is being defended across the country by desperate people at town hall meetings fearing for the loss of the only health coverage they've had in years, I think the charge that Obama had destroyed healthcare for the working class is overblown.
And even if the fear of ISIS agents coming to America is legit, are we supposed to allow thousands of innocent people fleeing torture and death to be sent back to their fate? This Muslim ban has more to do with race and religion than with security, as the brown shirt wannabe, Steve Bannon, banned even legal residents and those with green cards.


I mean sensationalistic mainstream news no matter what acronym it goes by. Are these people defending ACA aware that the system is goning to collapse as is? How is it possible to separate race and religion from an entity whose entire regime is based solely on their race/religion? I'm not in favor of the ban myself, but for me personally I see no reason to attach all kinds of conspiracy theories and sensationalism to it.



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13 Feb 2017, 5:31 am

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A "shadow government" ran by Obama. :roll:

How Obama is scheming to sabotage Trump’s presidency. http://tiny.iavian.net/f86o


IDK about the legitimacy of what's in that entire article, but it seemed pretty obvious to me from the start why Obama bought a home right down the street from the White House. It would be ironic if after his presidency, is when he decides to put down his golf clubs and finally become proactive.



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13 Feb 2017, 6:39 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Yellow journalism? You mean like Fox and Breitbart?
And as the ACA is being defended across the country by desperate people at town hall meetings fearing for the loss of the only health coverage they've had in years, I think the charge that Obama had destroyed healthcare for the working class is overblown.
And even if the fear of ISIS agents coming to America is legit, are we supposed to allow thousands of innocent people fleeing torture and death to be sent back to their fate? This Muslim ban has more to do with race and religion than with security, as the brown shirt wannabe, Steve Bannon, banned even legal residents and those with green cards.


I mean sensationalistic mainstream news no matter what acronym it goes by. Are these people defending ACA aware that the system is goning to collapse as is? How is it possible to separate race and religion from an entity whose entire regime is based solely on their race/religion? I'm not in favor of the ban myself, but for me personally I see no reason to attach all kinds of conspiracy theories and sensationalism to it.


Main stream media is sensationalistic because they call Trump out on his outrageous lies, like that the media isn't covering all terrorist attacks, or that there was massive voter fraud, or that all Syrian or Iraqi refugees are potential terrorists?
People who have gone without health care coverage know you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. What problems there are with Obamacare can be fixed.
It's against American law to discriminate against anyone for ethnic or religious purposes.


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13 Feb 2017, 6:42 am

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A "shadow government" ran by Obama. :roll:

How Obama is scheming to sabotage Trump’s presidency. http://tiny.iavian.net/f86o


Obama doesn't need to scheme to destroy the Trump Presidency. Trump and his people are handling that themselves.


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13 Feb 2017, 7:30 am

I'm going to be frank here. Most of my family voted for Trump, just because they liked him better than Hillary. Which I understand in a way. I think that many of us can agree 2016 was more or less "who did you like least" than the traditional "who's the best" type of election. Clearly my family was left out of this magic "Obama paradise loop" that everyone is talking about. We never took advantage of Obamacare (it's talked about so much that spellcheck recognises it as a word). My mother can't stand the whiny liberals in our community. They wake up everyday just to be offended. As for Trump, I'm still a teenager and he'll be out when I'm 18, so I really have no view.


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13 Feb 2017, 8:00 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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I mean sensationalistic mainstream news no matter what acronym it goes by. Are these people defending ACA aware that the system is goning to collapse as is? How is it possible to separate race and religion from an entity whose entire regime is based solely on their race/religion? I'm not in favor of the ban myself, but for me personally I see no reason to attach all kinds of conspiracy theories and sensationalism to it.


Main stream media is sensationalistic because they call Trump out on his outrageous lies, like that the media isn't covering all terrorist attacks, or that there was massive voter fraud, or that all Syrian or Iraqi refugees are potential terrorists?
People who have gone without health care coverage know you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. What problems there are with Obamacare can be fixed.
It's against American law to discriminate against anyone for ethnic or religious purposes.


I mean news stories filled with hype to increase circulation. Fixing Obamacare was always the stated intention. It's only liberal hype that says healthcare is going to be wiped out altogether and millions will die overnight. And I guess since ISIS is a purely religious faction, it looks like they have the United States at their mercy, or lack thereof.



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13 Feb 2017, 8:18 am

The b***h about Obamacare is that it DID benefit some. Unfortunately, it was screwy for many other people.

There will be many pissed-off people if many people are displaced from health insurance by the repeal of Obamacare.

Will Trump come up with an alternative? I wonder about the nature of health insurance under the Trump companies.



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13 Feb 2017, 8:49 am

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I'm going to be frank here. Most of my family voted for Trump, just because they liked him better than Hillary. Which I understand in a way. I think that many of us can agree 2016 was more or less "who did you like least" than the traditional "who's the best" type of election. Clearly my family was left out of this magic "Obama paradise loop" that everyone is talking about. We never took advantage of Obamacare (it's talked about so much that spellcheck recognises it as a word). My mother can't stand the whiny liberals in our community. They wake up everyday just to be offended. As for Trump, I'm still a teenager and he'll be out when I'm 18, so I really have no view.


Pardon me, but your math is wrong - Trump will be out when you're 22. :mrgreen:


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13 Feb 2017, 12:32 pm

nurseangela wrote:
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I'm going to be frank here. Most of my family voted for Trump, just because they liked him better than Hillary. Which I understand in a way. I think that many of us can agree 2016 was more or less "who did you like least" than the traditional "who's the best" type of election. Clearly my family was left out of this magic "Obama paradise loop" that everyone is talking about. We never took advantage of Obamacare (it's talked about so much that spellcheck recognises it as a word). My mother can't stand the whiny liberals in our community. They wake up everyday just to be offended. As for Trump, I'm still a teenager and he'll be out when I'm 18, so I really have no view.


Pardon me, but your math is wrong - Trump will be out when you're 22. :mrgreen:


As things stand, that's pretty much nailed on.

Dems are going to need a spectacular candidate to bump him out of office.