Roe v. Wade is history

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I don't claim to know such things, but if I were to speculate, I would say

The unborn child never ceases or begins to be human.
A human egg cell, meets a human sperm cell, and then becomes it's own distinct entity, the first cell of a new *human* being.
Two parts of other humans combine to create a new human.
But it's human in nature the whole way along.

Every other other definition seems contrived to me.

I'm pro-vaccine and I'd hope everyone would get vaccinated as the result of wide-scale government education programs and easy-access clinics, just like they did here. There will always be medical exceptions and people who will have to shelter-in-place using other measures or losing some of their freedoms, but that would be on a case-by-case basis.

Sorry if this has already been posted, but a good article about the unintended consequences of the Supreme Court sticking their hands in every uterus in the US: https://apnews.com/article/abortion-sci ... d394199033

Let's hope so! Let's hope people don't say 'fake news' 'fearmongering' etc. like with covid. If they did humanity wouldn't last long would we.

No one has the right to use someone else's body against their will, even if they need it to survive.

No one is saying fetuses are property, just that women shouldn't be forced to give up their body for one if they don't want to.

It's not helpful to argue exceptions. It’s easy to justify abortion in the case of rape/abuse or imminent death of the mother.

If bodily autonomy is the issue (it isn't), then we can't change the subject to a scenario in which bodily autonomy is violated from the outset. If two people are bodily autonomous enough to have sex, they are bodily autonomous enough to accept the risks they may have a baby. My wife and I purposefully tried to get pregnant with our first child. We couldn't afford b.c. and misjudged where she was in her cycle, so we had another baby. Some years later my condom broke, so we had a third baby. After deciding three was enough...we became pregnant and lost our baby, which in turn caused my wife to want another one. We had our fourth child, tries for a 5th and lost another baby. We didn't always want our babies when we had them. We've had a difficult life. But then again, we have four amazing human beings that are ours and we are very happy as things in our lives continue to improve.

So...I really don't see how the bodily autonomy argument is really ever effective since you exercise bodily autonomy when you conceive in the first place.*** What it REALLY boils down to the choice for a person to hate themself enough to want to destroy babies and, most importantly, demanding that society approve of disposing of the innocent.

***[As I mentioned before, a violation of bodily autonomy means that conception is a result of that violation and termination is justified. Hence rape/abuse do not belong in this discussion. Because of the exceptional nature of rape/abuse, it is a separate discussion worth having.]

It follows, then, that any girl or woman who wants to terminate a pregnancy can claim she was raped. ^
Would that help, if we suddenly had millions of accusations of rape in order to achieve equal rights?

I believe all girls and women (and all humans) should have equal rights.

So far, what you're claiming is that human rights and equality are for embryos, boys, men, and girls / women who can prove to a court of law in a six week span of time that they were raped, and have the person convicted. I bet you might even include girls or women whose lives are in danger from pregnancy, for whatever reason. Then add the girls and women who are pro-life and don't want abortions, as well as the girls and women who are pro-choice and don't want abortions, or those who don't get pregnant.

Essentially, all Americans have human rights except ... girls and women who expect choice?

Good question, but I do not accept the premise that you lack equal rights.

If we don’t have the right to bodily autonomy, then we obviously don’t have equal rights.

You're right -- I don't lack equal rights.
I'm not American so none of this affects my autonomy as a sovereign individual.
I was pregnant from rape and it was my choice to keep that child.
I don't know why other people should be denied the free agency that I was given.

I write on here because I believe in all people having the same rights that I enjoy.

I don't accept the premise that women have reasonably fewer rights than anyone else.

The idea of expecting choice here given the context is a logical fallacy. With few exceptions, NO human being has the right to terminate human life. Human beings in the womb are every bit as human as humans on the outside. Logically, right to life extended to all humans can not be exceptional with regard to unborn babies--UNLESS a reasonable exception already exists and universally applies, whether that human exists in the womb or not.

What logical fallacy are you referring to? I can’t think of any which this situation would fit.

Telling women what they can or can’t do with their bodies is a huge denial of rights.

I don't accept the premise that American women are denied free agency within reason. Not even men are legally allowed the right to kill other human beings at will. There is no reasonable justification that women should have a special victim status granting then special treatment. To do so would logically mean that equal rights are suspended.

You're welcome to your opinion. That's the basis of democracy and I think diversity of thought is a beautiful thing, insofar as no one imposes their beliefs on other people. I believe in choice even though my personal choice is (and has always been) no. I would never tell you what to do with your body, and I'd expect you would have the same respect for me -- and all other people of any gender or faith with different points of view.

Killing babies isn't merely a huge denial of rights. Denying a father the right to his children is a huge denial of rights. The murder of a baby is a TOTAL denial of rights.

No one is telling women what they can/can't do with their bodies.