10 Aug 2007, 1:57 pm
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10 Aug 2007, 2:00 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
We're unconvinced because you haven't provided any decent arguments in support of your position.
No, you decide by feelings rather than by truth.
That's not true actually. Even if I was straight I would have this exact same view.
Sopho wrote:
I arrived at this conclusion logically.
Impossible. Social issues are never strictly logical, but are open to a certain amount of subjective interpretation.
Sopho wrote:
It is discrimination. If you weren't allowed to marry anyone you would ever want to be with then I would think that was wrong as well.
Actually, you're quite selective in who people can marry, or what they can marry. Remember the Man-Boy Love Association argument? It's consensual, but you're against it. (And I'm definitely with you, on that.)
It's not consensual if it involves kids. Kids cannot consent technically.
Now look who's making assumptions about other people!
What?
What assumptions am I making.
It's law. A child cannot consent to sex.
And even if they could, they're not legally old enough to enter into this kind of contract. That law applies to everyone.
So does the law that only a man can marry a woman!
But people don't suddenly turn into a man when they reach a particular age, or turn straight for that matter. Everyone at some point in their life is a kid and (assuming they reach the average life expectancy etc.) becomes an adult. Different. I wasn't allowed to marry when I was 8, neither were you. You can marry the woman you want to be with. I never will be able to. The age law is there to protect kids from perverts. I don't need protecting from women.
10 Aug 2007, 2:00 pm
10 Aug 2007, 2:00 pm
Sedaka wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Hadron wrote:
Sopho wrote:
We're unconvinced because you haven't provided any decent arguments in support of your position.
You definately havent, all you have stated is that you feel your are entitled fundementally.
Did you actually read through the whole thread?
I don't just 'feel' I am entitled. If, by that, you meant I recognise that it is sexist discrimination, then yes. But I also stated other reasons. All you have come up with is that somehow legalising gay marriage will mean a shedload more people will suddenly turn gay and you won't get your pension because there won't be enough kids.
And tbh, we only need one reason: rights.
Rights isnt a reason, you are making the assumption that you should be automatically entitled to something.
again.... so why are you entitled to your pension then... cause you're the majority? lol
by the fear in your words... you make it sound like the immigrants are the majority
They're working on it... give 'em time, and keep the borders OPEN!!
10 Aug 2007, 2:01 pm
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10 Aug 2007, 2:03 pm
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10 Aug 2007, 2:05 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
So nothing I could say will change your feelings, which you've let control your perception of reality.
Making assumptions about me again. That's not true at all. I can't believe I'm being criticised on my perception of reality by a Christian...
Gee, take your own advise:
Sopho wrote:
Making assumptions about me again.
You assume that because I'm a Christian I know nothing. That immediately weakens your credibility. For, Dr. John Warwick Montgomery is a conservative Christian who holds all my views, and has 11 earned degrees, including in law and human rights. He also pratices as a barrister in the U.K.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Warwick_Montgomery
But you would argue that, because he's a Christian, he must know little or nothing. How sad for you...
the diff is... what CIVIL RIGHTS is she wanting to take away from you?
im sure a lot of ppl would want you to stfu.......... but we're not seriously persuing that
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10 Aug 2007, 2:06 pm
10 Aug 2007, 2:07 pm
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
We're unconvinced because you haven't provided any decent arguments in support of your position.
No, you decide by feelings rather than by truth.
That's not true actually. Even if I was straight I would have this exact same view.
Sopho wrote:
I arrived at this conclusion logically.
Impossible. Social issues are never strictly logical, but are open to a certain amount of subjective interpretation.
Sopho wrote:
It is discrimination. If you weren't allowed to marry anyone you would ever want to be with then I would think that was wrong as well.
Actually, you're quite selective in who people can marry, or what they can marry. Remember the Man-Boy Love Association argument? It's consensual, but you're against it. (And I'm definitely with you, on that.)
It's not consensual if it involves kids. Kids cannot consent technically.
Now look who's making assumptions about other people!
What?
What assumptions am I making.
It's law. A child cannot consent to sex.
And even if they could, they're not legally old enough to enter into this kind of contract. That law applies to everyone.
So does the law that only a man can marry a woman!
But people don't suddenly turn into a man when they reach a particular age,
Well, depends on where you draw the line, I guess.
Women get more masculine and men get more feminine as they age.Sopho wrote:
Everyone at some point in their life is a kid and (assuming they reach the average life expectancy etc.) becomes an adult. Different.
Yes, "different", but these differences are merely circumstantial.
Sopho wrote:
I wasn't allowed to marry when I was 8, neither were you. You can marry the woman you want to be with. I never will be able to. The age law is there to protect kids from perverts.
So, who judges them to be perverts? Why are they perverts if, like a woman's lust for a woman, it's just always been natural to them? You're being awfully judgmental of perversions for someone advocating what most people still think is.
10 Aug 2007, 2:08 pm
10 Aug 2007, 2:10 pm
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10 Aug 2007, 2:10 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
JoeCapricorn wrote:
Fifty pages...
And no one has presented any logical reason why gay marriage should be banned. No one has presented any logical reason why gay rights should be limited.
The closest is Ragtime's religious arguments, but in countries where religion does not dictate the law (The United States for example), that argument isn't even constitutional. (I.E. Banning gay marriage because it goes against the Bible violates freedom of religion and the establishment clause - there are even Christian churches that support gay marriage)
Otherwise every argument made against gay people has been easily debunked. 50 pages of all that.
And no one has presented any logical reason why gay marriage should be banned. No one has presented any logical reason why gay rights should be limited.
The closest is Ragtime's religious arguments, but in countries where religion does not dictate the law (The United States for example), that argument isn't even constitutional. (I.E. Banning gay marriage because it goes against the Bible violates freedom of religion and the establishment clause - there are even Christian churches that support gay marriage)
Otherwise every argument made against gay people has been easily debunked. 50 pages of all that.
Wow. An unconvincably biased person is still unconvinced that gay marriage is wrong.
Ya, that's pretty suprising, Joe.well when the opposing said cannot directly say WHY.... why should they suddenly switch?
we have provided lots of WHY NOTS (why homo. is not wrong)
but so far for why it's wrong... whe have:
cause god says so
Again, you can stop after reaching that reason, because for any true Christian, what God says goes, period. This thread solicited opinions on homosexuality. I gave mine, and explained why I am 100% against it. Now, if you don't respect God's authority, that's another issue altogether. The fact remains that I have given my answer regarding the issue. If you wish to disrespect God and my religion, that also makes no difference in the subject of this thread. Start another Christ-bashing thread if that's what you want to do.
im not a christian basher........ just a basher of stupid blind people who accept hate... whether it comes from other idiots on the iternet or god himself
my spirituality has given me the why answers......... im sorry yours cannot and dont say that it has cause it hasnt.... you just trust that you'll be told someday... or that what has been said is right.... you know nothing of why
and like i said.... if that's good enough for you.... im glad that it's ignorant ppl that hate gays
10 Aug 2007, 2:10 pm
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
But people don't suddenly turn into a man when they reach a particular age,
Well, depends on where you draw the line, I guess.
Women get more masculine and men get more feminine as they age.Masculine... feminine... whatever. They don't turn into a man. However masculine they are, they still can't marry each other.
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
Everyone at some point in their life is a kid and (assuming they reach the average life expectancy etc.) becomes an adult. Different.
Yes, "different", but these differences are merely circumstantial.
The differences between paedophilia and homosexuality are 'circumstantial' are they?
Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
I wasn't allowed to marry when I was 8, neither were you. You can marry the woman you want to be with. I never will be able to. The age law is there to protect kids from perverts.
So, who judges them to be perverts? Why are they perverts if, like a woman's lust for a woman, it's just always been natural to them? You're being awfully judgmental of perversions for someone advocating what most people still think is.
Because they're harming kids. Just like rape is wrong, it's wrong to f**k a child. Those laws preventing adults from marrying kids are designed to PROTECT people (children). Who needs protecting from gay marriage?
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