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I am very concerned about the preservation of white heritage/race 8%  8%  [ 16 ]
I believe the above concern is unfounded and racist 54%  54%  [ 104 ]
I think the view in option #1 raises some good issues, but SOME people take it too far 13%  13%  [ 25 ]
I think the view in option #1 raises some good issues, but MANY people take it too far 8%  8%  [ 15 ]
show me the money (view results) 17%  17%  [ 32 ]
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31 Jul 2012, 8:22 am

Tequila wrote:
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Keeping heritage and culture?


Take it you have no problem with female genital mutilation being practiced in your country then? After all, it is a part of their "culture".

...That happens to be frowned upon in my country, and in the country where my family came from. And in my religion.

Keeping culture means documentation to me. What did you THINK I meant? O_O



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31 Jul 2012, 8:25 am

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That happens to be frowned upon in my country


When I meant "your country", I thought you were a non-immigrant (or a non-recent immigrant) in places like the U.S., UK, Netherlands and so on and I was referring to the practices of some backward immigrants who like to mutilate the private parts of young girls. Sorry I didn't get it quite right.

The point I was trying to make is that some bloody awful things can be excused by immigrants calling it "their culture".



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31 Jul 2012, 8:57 am

There's nothing wrong with white people wanting to preserve and celebrate their culture(s). A person who hosts an Oktoberfest party, for example, is not engaged in a racist activity.
Unfortunately, the concept of "celebrating culture" is sometimes hijacked by racists, leading to confusion and mistrust of the phrase.



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31 Jul 2012, 9:29 am

YippySkippy wrote:
There's nothing wrong with white people wanting to preserve and celebrate their culture(s). A person who hosts an Oktoberfest party, for example, is not engaged in a racist activity.
Unfortunately, the concept of "celebrating culture" is sometimes hijacked by racists, leading to confusion and mistrust of the phrase.

Agreed. I also think that people tend to gather with people they have cultural ties to, people they speak a common language with. You can't really understand what it is to "be black" if you aren't black, same goes for whites. Or Chinese. Or...whatever.

Something I've noticed lately, speaking of race, is that in areas that are predominantly minority groups, compulsory education has attempted to mix the races. Rather than go to the public schools, white parents try to get their kids in private schools. Public school administrators actually blame the private schools for declining public school performance rather than address the cultural issues that prevent minorities from excelling. They say, in effect, "well, all the GOOD kids get taken out and put in private schools." No...your white population has been made to feel uncomfortable with a minority-dominated school environment.

The few white kids you have in these environments tend to sequester themselves from the rest of the school population. They share a common identity and feel safer in greater numbers.

What ends up happening is you have public schools in more affluent areas that already have a significantly lower minority population. Parents began flocking to these regions in part because they were attracted to the kinds of public schools that were in the area. This seemed to work fine for a long time, but I've noticed increasingly that district lines that were drawn up, say, right along the old "train tracks," have been disputed and whole districts consolidated in order to force races to mix and eliminate "white flight" areas. A lot of places are able to avoid this for a long time.

But back where I came from, Leake County, Mississippi, we had a situation in which the predominantly black western and southern portions of the county had their own schools, the city had its own school (predominantly white), and the eastern area had its own school. What started happening was that the eastern area, which had been mostly low-income white families, started getting an influx of affluent families in its largest community. New, NICE housing developments started going up, so of course white families were flocking there. What ended up happening is that someone on the school board had a dispute with someone else on the school board, so out of spite he took the Leake County situation to the feds. They ended up shutting down the schools at the extreme eastern and western parts of the county, redrew the lines, and split both populations between the city school and the southern school.

It has caused quite an uproar, but I'm afraid it's long overdue. The eastern and western schools were falling apart. I actually once interviewed for a job at the southern school, and I recall it was NIIIIICE. Nicer than the city school. The school on the eastern end looked like it was stuck back in the 1950s, or at least hadn't been maintained since then. I really don't see how any learning happened in that place.

The thing about all this is that people get really funny when you try to impose upon them to accept each other across racial or cultural lines. It's not racist to take pride in who you are and where you came from. But people who sequester themselves from other races/cultures ought not speak prejudicially against people they don't even have contact with. You can't legislate who hangs out with who, and if people want to bad enough, they'll find ways to avoid each other.



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31 Jul 2012, 10:03 am

Are autistics collectivistically inclined? I doubt it.

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31 Jul 2012, 10:22 am

You should specify how much is "many".



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31 Jul 2012, 10:27 am

AngelRho wrote:
Something I've noticed lately, speaking of race, is that in areas that are predominantly minority groups, compulsory education has attempted to mix the races. Rather than go to the public schools, white parents try to get their kids in private schools. Public school administrators actually blame the private schools for declining public school performance rather than address the cultural issues that prevent minorities from excelling. They say, in effect, "well, all the GOOD kids get taken out and put in private schools." No...your white population has been made to feel uncomfortable with a minority-dominated school environment.


They tried to do that here. They wanted to have schools where the population reflected the population of the area. That would have meant much more travel time for kids, and the inability of parents to choose a school for their children, even if the most obvious one was within view of their house. I don't think they carried through with that plan, because people from all sides became really angry. Primary schools, after all, can have all kinds of religious backgrounds. That would have meant, for some parents, that they would have had to send their children to islamic schools regardless of their religion, because something else would have been deemed discrimination.

What they have done, though, is ethnic and cultural mixing in social housing. Unfortunately, there are some blocks of social housing right next to my house. Until two years ago, there lived an elderly man with a mentally-handicapped son in one house. However, the elderly man died and the son was evicted and replaced by foreign drug dealers. There have been attempts by people living here to contact them, as there is at least some social interaction here, but they only talked to us when a package had been delivered to our house in their absence. In daily life, they speak some kind of unidentified creole language, and their contacts are exclusively black and from the same island.



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31 Jul 2012, 1:35 pm

The way you worded it might not be entirely unbiased.



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31 Jul 2012, 2:06 pm

Raptor wrote:
"I think the view in option #1 raises some good issues, but SOME people take it too far".

That's my vote.

It seems we're the only race on the planet that's not supposed to take pride in it.


Its to do with power relations. The world is for the most part, controlled and dominated by white people.

Other races are mainly under the subjucation of white countries which gives them the social precedence to have cultural pride. It is highly chauvinist as a dominant demographic to be prideful of your own demographic. Thats why the most part of people are uncomfortable with and dislike white pride groups.

Its the same with autism pride. Can you imagine how ridiculous it would be if there was organised 'neurotypical pride'? Same principle.



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31 Jul 2012, 7:45 pm

If the white race existed maybe. As there is no set of characteristics that an Irishman and a Greek have in common that both don't also have with Mexicans.

To be proud to be English, Bantu , Malay or even German makes sense but being proud of being White borders on idiotic. It just does not mean anything.


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03 Aug 2012, 9:57 pm

I dislike racism but i dislike self-righteous political correctness even more sometimes.



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03 Aug 2012, 11:02 pm

Political correctness can become very tiresome. Recently, I watched a documentary about a woman in Brussels who was repeatedly harrassed by North African, mainly islamic men. Needless to say, at several times during the documentary she apologised if the 'framing' appeared racist, but that she didn't mean to, and that the only reason all men she portrayed there were North African and islamic was that those were the only men who said and did these things. She also added that 'just' one in twenty North African men she walked past plainly asked her for sex and didn't take no for an answer.



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03 Aug 2012, 11:17 pm

I am half Japanese and at my old office I had a photo of my partner, who is 100% Japanese, on my desk. One of my female coworkers came over and asked out of nowhere, "So you only date Japanese guys?" I was speechless at this question and didn't know how to respond. If I say "yes" she will accuse me of racism, but her comment is quite racist itself. I kept quiet. Yes, I only date Japanese/Koreans but I don't HATE anyone else. It used to be "racist" to date outside of your race but nowadays people think you are racist if you prefer your own race. Granted I am half-blood but I was raised traditionally Japanese.

BTW, if I would have commented about the picture on her desk of her black husband ("so you only marry black men?") I'm sure I would have been reprimanded by my manager or possibly fired.

Anyway, I don't let stupid comments bother me. I don't care who people date, as long as they are happy.

NO, I am NOT racist.

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03 Aug 2012, 11:24 pm

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There is no "white heritage" as such. Heritage is an artifact of cultures and nations, not groupings according to skin pigmentation.

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Precisely.



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04 Aug 2012, 1:28 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
I dislike racism but i dislike self-righteous political correctness even more sometimes.


The vast majority of people who whine about political correctness seem to be well off whites, scared to death of having their status and privileges undermined.

Cry about Godwin's law all you like, but self righteous political incorrectness on the other hand is far worse, and far more dangerous.

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04 Aug 2012, 1:42 pm

donnie_darko wrote:
I dislike racism but i dislike self-righteous political correctness even more sometimes.
Same. I just hate arrogance more than anything else.