Gays and the US Military

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What on Earth (this Earth, anyway) does the Multiple Worlds hypothesis of quantum physics have to do with either the number of dimensions our universe is comprised of, or the question of whether gays should be allowed to openly serve in the US military?

(Although I will take a moment to point out that no matter how many dimensions there are, whether string theory's 7 to 11, skafather's five, or the dimensions of Hibbert space [which has as many dimensions as one happens to need to solve a particular problem], we are only equipped to perceive three dimensions directly, and one indirectly. If there are more than that, it's kind of neat, but unless there's some way to exploit them in a practical fashion, it doesn't matter, because they can't affect us anyway, nor we them.)

LOL. What happened here?

I'm not sure what a Hibbert Space is, but a Hilbert Space can have quite a few dimensions. It's a crying shame really how few dimensions we perceive. This 3-d colorspace just isn't enough; I need uber eyes to get the full picture man.

He probably meant to say Hilbert Space.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_space

ruveyn

a discussion from another thread that carried over between us. apologies all 'round.


gays are still frowned upon by the military...but that isn't much of a surprise considering that the military isn't exactly the best or brights of society most of the time.

I guess the military comes out even here - did a lot a couple years ahead of the rest of society to promote equal racial rights, but seems to be lagging a couple years behind on gay rights.

Can't be perfect all the time.
But then, who is it that is defining 'perfect'??????????????????

Ah, didn't have sources for the military racial equality thing handy, just found this googling;
Racial Equality: Military vs. Civilian Life

That attitude from a 20-something with a signature as obscene as yours is no surprise.

Suckling the government teat for a living isn't a thing to be proud of. Subjugating yourself to a government's will isn't a thing to proud of either.

In fact, the only thing to be proud of in the whole thing is the myth of war and heroism that is simply that: myth. Soldiers are paid killers for their country's robber barons and that's about it.

/World War II is the last time we had a "defensive" war.

Given what I've seen of you so far, that statement is also no surprise.
Even though I've never been in the military, and never desired to, I am quite offended by your words and not at all impressed.

Also, last I checked, the military are far more obscene and the crackers use much more racist language. I know the nicknames for the covers and the jokes told between branches and all the perverse jokes they tell each other.

My impressions of the military have come from direct interaction and experience. Not from some "liberal media". It's either the dregs who can't function without such strict structure enforced on them or the small-minded "straight arrows" who are slightly more intelligent robots/domesticated animals...sometimes intelligent men and women brainwashed by those myths of heroism and superiority.

Last thing I read from one of my military acquaintances:

"The important thing is that civilians are in the bottom rung- practically fetuses waiting to be retro-aborted."

Real class act.

This kind of denigration is usually, not always, but usually, indicative of gross immaturity.

In some aspects, yes. Normally people are smarter than to point this out...it ruins the illusion. Much like explaining how and why the lie detector doesn't work ruins the illusion the machine creates that allows it to work (it's more theatrics and psychology than it is hard science and measurements). To that extent, yes...very immature. Applaud them "good for you, you did what you were told after going through months of brainwashing"...normally I'm much more polite about it in person but some of these guys have been getting under my craw lately with their superiority complex and being a massive, racist, ignorant jackass isn't a crime so I'm venting here. Apologies for that. I realize that humans are still humans....just this particular brand gets annoying for their loud lack of awareness.

It's a very bad mistake to judge a huge number of people engaged in very difficult situations by exceedingly simple minded standards. No doubt there is a common culture due to the necessities of the tasks and all sorts of individual personal characteristics have their unique way of fitting in. There are guys who are not good at civilian life with small personal direction that appreciate the strict directions of the military, there are people who accept the nasty disciplines to gain the possible rewards of a higher education, there are people with long family traditions of service in the military, there are people who gain real competence in high technology, there are sadists who get macho over the power of armed service etc. A huge number of people experience active combat under horrific conditions and are scarred for life and some never make it back to normality. Much of the stupidity and brutality is the result of policies of government and the higher officer class and the simple dogface should not be blamed for all of it although they cannot be considered totally innocent. In the present world context it is impossible for a nation not to have some kind of military and whatever nastiness is involved rises out of that basic necessity and the tolerance of the entire culture to permit the military to violate basic decency.

If I comment on this, with my current opinion on such, the Canadian Human Rights Commission and HRC Commissaar Jenniffer Lynch will be pounding on my door and going after me for thought crimes.We have no freedom of speech in Canada.

HRC here donated money to the "republicans who care" fund who, in turn, directly gave money and support to john mccain and his anti-gay message. i'm sure they won't mind THAT much.

as far as thought crimes go...if stupidity is becoming a crime, then good.

Aspies are outraged when NTs tear down aspies and yet here's the guy who started this thread now finding himself an aspie who is being indirectly, or even directly without being named, torn down by aspies like himself for his being in the military.

Incredible.
Well and truly beyond my understanding.
An 'aspies eat their own kind' sort of thing is what it seems.

I wonder if this hatred of the military is from the same birthing place as
hatreds of other sexual orientations,
hatreds of other races,
hatreds of other ethnic groups,
hatreds of other religions,
hatreds of other social classes,
for it appears just as deep-seated, unyielding, and intense.

What is it inside people that gives birth to such hatreds?
I do not understand.

I used to believe people were basically good, but the more years I live, the less I can believe that: people are more and more seeming to be born with a latent ability to hate and a ready willingness to use it once they discover they have it.

Jackasses of any stripe can and usually will get under one's craw, it seems their life calling.
Somewhere in life expect there's evidence of me being the jackass, oh well, such is life.

I'm not in a place to talk too bad about someone else venting something, been there, done that myself, but they weren't selling t-shirts.

I know people and have family who are gay or bisexual.
I know people and have family in military.

I have a, well, not exactly 100% impartial, sort-of-protectiveness toward both.