For 2012 if it were: Obama vs Palin?

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You mean once in the last week this latest one they got caught at was only a few days ago.

Fact is a lot of the sources he gave a linked with George Soros and are also owned by the same group of people.

It doesn't matter who would he face in 2012, Obama will still win. Americans always re-elect, it is their nature, it does not matter how much they disagree with a president, or what they vote.

Tell that Bush Sr., Jimmy Carter, Gerry Ford, and LBJ.

Ford and LBJ weren't elected.

And Bush already had 12 years (unless you're the kind of schmuck who really believes that Reagan was in charge) and Carter, well, was Jimmy Carter: too nice and naive to win over anyone other than an unelected moron.

Well, LBJ was elected in 1964(in a blowout none the less) but probably would of lost in 1968 had he not dropped out. Now while the incumbent certainly has it's advantages, the point is I don't think the American public would have much of a problem voting out an incumbent president.

I think people trying to bring up Reagan and Clinton recovering are kind of stretching it. I don't think you can really base future results off past ones, each situation is unique and besides this isn't 1984/1996 and Obama is no Clinton or Reagan. It depends on the economy and unemployment which I don't foresee recovering significantly by 2012.

I would bet good money that Obama is now a Lame Duck. He is not going to impose his program with the House in Republican hands. Strange to say, if the Repubs actually do something smart and the economy recovers (possible but unlikely) Obama may claim the credit. If I were Obama, I would give the Repubs all the rope they demanded. If the Repubs hang themselves, it will bode will for the Democrats in 2012. If the Repubs , by some miracle, manage to craft a policy that puts the U.S. on the track to recovery, both Obama and the Democrats may try to claim some or all of the credit.

ruveyn

Yeah three counter-examples. That sounds impressive.

Was it you that pointed that out elsewhere? Someone pointed out the similarities between this and how Clinton got his second term.

It was another poster. But what I (and he) said stand to reason.

ruveyn

To that I would add that the GOP brand Republicans are in a two-front war, wedged between the Tea Party and the Democrats.

Taking on the Tea Party head-on is suicidal--the far better approach is to work cooperatively with the Administration, manage the economic recovery, and treat the Tea Party as an anomoly. Between them the GOP Republicans and conservative Democrats should have enough voting power to ignore to loony left and the rabid right.

I'm going to argue at the rate Obama is going that Rush Limbaugh could probably beat him in 2012.

Clinton was partisan, but he wasn't as partisan as Obama is.

That was four but half of the last 8 presidents.

You can't be serious? Obama has compromised at every turn. And Clinton was known for heralding in the age of the "Third Way" centrist Democrats, based on a strategy of triangulation, compromise, and moderation. Clinton was probably the least partisan President in over a century.

What has Obama compromised on? I know hardcore leftists are pissed he didn't push single payer but I don't think that was ever even considered.

He ditched the public option, even though that was one of the major promises of his campaign and has overwhelming public support according to every single poll taken on the subject. He backed down on his promise of allowing importation of drugs from Canada. He's been following the timetable Bush laid out for Iraq. He ensured the enactment of strict anti-abortion measures. All five published GOP provisions that they wanted in healthcare reform, were in the bill.

And that's just off the top of my head. I could cite dozens more examples if you wanted. Could you point to so many examples of Bush compromising?

Who was he compromising with on health care reform tho? The GOP was totally opposed but even then, the democrats had a supermajority in both houses and were essentially powerless. The people he compromised with was his own party. The GOP was not involved at all. The sad thing is that the mandate we ended up with is probably the worst of all the outcomes including the status quo, corporatist bs.

As for the war, Obama lied. Straight up. He was never anti-war. He whole heartedly supports Bush's War On Terror. His supporters should of seen that coming too since he even campaigned on Afghanistan being the "good war" and talked of expanding it into to Pakistan. The guy just blatantly lied on most of his platform.

I think Obama is pretty screwed right now. The left and right flank(what's left of it after this election) are pissed at him and he's facing a determined opposition party. I think if Hilary runs against Obama, she would win.