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What are your religious views?
Christian 26%  26%  [ 32 ]
Muslim 3%  3%  [ 4 ]
Judaism 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
Hindu 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Buddhism 4%  4%  [ 5 ]
Taoism 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Shinto 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Deism 3%  3%  [ 4 ]
Agnostic 12%  12%  [ 15 ]
Athiest 34%  34%  [ 43 ]
Other 14%  14%  [ 17 ]
Unsure 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 125

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10 Apr 2010, 4:27 pm

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I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and proud of it!

As for the question of what defines a religion, my definition is a person's set of beliefs concerning the existence of a higher power and how they act as a consequence of said beliefs. By that definition, atheism would also be a religion.


How is that possible for a position in which no beliefs are asserted?

When an atheist is asked: Do you believe in God he answers "No, I don't believe in God". He is saying what he does not believe.

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10 Apr 2010, 6:03 pm

ruveyn wrote:
JustMe wrote:
I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and proud of it!

As for the question of what defines a religion, my definition is a person's set of beliefs concerning the existence of a higher power and how they act as a consequence of said beliefs. By that definition, atheism would also be a religion.


How is that possible for a position in which no beliefs are asserted?

When an atheist is asked: Do you believe in God he answers "No, I don't believe in God". He is saying what he does not believe.

ruveyn


Not believing in the existence of God is the same as having a nonbelief in the existence of God, which is still a belief concerning the existence of God. I never said that the belief had to be that God actually exists.



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11 Apr 2010, 9:49 am

JustMe wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
JustMe wrote:
I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and proud of it!

As for the question of what defines a religion, my definition is a person's set of beliefs concerning the existence of a higher power and how they act as a consequence of said beliefs. By that definition, atheism would also be a religion.


How is that possible for a position in which no beliefs are asserted?

When an atheist is asked: Do you believe in God he answers "No, I don't believe in God". He is saying what he does not believe.

ruveyn


Not believing in the existence of God is the same as having a nonbelief in the existence of God, which is still a belief concerning the existence of God. I never said that the belief had to be that God actually exists.


Or, of course, you can not believe in not believing in not believing in God.



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12 Apr 2010, 1:44 pm

Sand wrote:
JustMe wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
JustMe wrote:
I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and proud of it!

As for the question of what defines a religion, my definition is a person's set of beliefs concerning the existence of a higher power and how they act as a consequence of said beliefs. By that definition, atheism would also be a religion.


How is that possible for a position in which no beliefs are asserted?

When an atheist is asked: Do you believe in God he answers "No, I don't believe in God". He is saying what he does not believe.

ruveyn


Not believing in the existence of God is the same as having a nonbelief in the existence of God, which is still a belief concerning the existence of God. I never said that the belief had to be that God actually exists.


Or, of course, you can not believe in not believing in not believing in God.


keep at it! don't let ruveyn and sand trick you! they're actually both vying for the nomination for new Pope of Atheism. tricking believers into blaspheming to send them to hell got boring so now they're trying to convince the Righteous that atheism isn't a religion so that All Powerful Atheismo will reward them with the atheist papacy.

also: the first one of them that gets 25 theists to state that they believe atheism is a religion will receive magic atheist underwear that is endowed (via All Powerful Atheismo's blessing) with the power to protect the wearer from all other deities (though they are worthless against nongodly attacks).


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12 Apr 2010, 2:29 pm

waltur wrote:
Sand wrote:
JustMe wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
JustMe wrote:
I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and proud of it!

As for the question of what defines a religion, my definition is a person's set of beliefs concerning the existence of a higher power and how they act as a consequence of said beliefs. By that definition, atheism would also be a religion.


How is that possible for a position in which no beliefs are asserted?

When an atheist is asked: Do you believe in God he answers "No, I don't believe in God". He is saying what he does not believe.

ruveyn


Not believing in the existence of God is the same as having a nonbelief in the existence of God, which is still a belief concerning the existence of God. I never said that the belief had to be that God actually exists.


Or, of course, you can not believe in not believing in not believing in God.


keep at it! don't let ruveyn and sand trick you! they're actually both vying for the nomination for new Pope of Atheism. tricking believers into blaspheming to send them to hell got boring so now they're trying to convince the Righteous that atheism isn't a religion so that All Powerful Atheismo will reward them with the atheist papacy.

also: the first one of them that gets 25 theists to state that they believe atheism is a religion will receive magic atheist underwear that is endowed (via All Powerful Atheismo's blessing) with the power to protect the wearer from all other deities (though they are worthless against nongodly attacks).


Ruveyn can have the job. I'm not interested in running a hierarchy and the thought of wearing gold gowns and funny hats has no appeal for me whatsoever.



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12 Apr 2010, 4:30 pm

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Ruveyn can have the job. I'm not interested in running a hierarchy and the thought of wearing gold gowns and funny hats has no appeal for me whatsoever.


I don't want the job either. I shun leadership roles. I would much rather be the handyman behind the scenes. Crowns are for tyrants or fools.

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13 Apr 2010, 8:59 pm

Sand wrote:
JustMe wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
JustMe wrote:
I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and proud of it!

As for the question of what defines a religion, my definition is a person's set of beliefs concerning the existence of a higher power and how they act as a consequence of said beliefs. By that definition, atheism would also be a religion.


How is that possible for a position in which no beliefs are asserted?

When an atheist is asked: Do you believe in God he answers "No, I don't believe in God". He is saying what he does not believe.

ruveyn


Not believing in the existence of God is the same as having a nonbelief in the existence of God, which is still a belief concerning the existence of God. I never said that the belief had to be that God actually exists.


Or, of course, you can not believe in not believing in not believing in God.


All right, when you have that many of the same phrase in a row, it just gets confusing and the pairs negate each other, so you might as well just stop at the first one, which puts us back to where we started.



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13 Apr 2010, 9:03 pm

JustMe wrote:
Sand wrote:
JustMe wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
JustMe wrote:
I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and proud of it!

As for the question of what defines a religion, my definition is a person's set of beliefs concerning the existence of a higher power and how they act as a consequence of said beliefs. By that definition, atheism would also be a religion.


How is that possible for a position in which no beliefs are asserted?

When an atheist is asked: Do you believe in God he answers "No, I don't believe in God". He is saying what he does not believe.

ruveyn


Not believing in the existence of God is the same as having a nonbelief in the existence of God, which is still a belief concerning the existence of God. I never said that the belief had to be that God actually exists.


Or, of course, you can not believe in not believing in not believing in God.

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All right, when you have that many of the same phrase in a row, it just gets confusing and the pairs negate each other, so you might as well just stop at the first one, which puts us back to where we started.



Sorry you're so easily confused



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13 Apr 2010, 9:59 pm

Probabilistic atheist

To use the Dawkinian scale I'm at a 6.68/7 when it comes to disbelief in good (for comparsion, I'm at a 6.85/7 when it comes to believing my cereal won't suddenly turn into 100% hypochlorite acid).



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13 Apr 2010, 10:57 pm

I don't really have any religious views. My family are Lutherans and go to church quite a bit so if I had to identify myself I guess I would say that. I wouldn't call myself an atheist or agnostic, religion just isn't in my life, I've never really pondered it either way. Maybe one day I'll feel the touch of god or whatever like some people seem to do and become more religious or maybe I won't.



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15 Apr 2010, 8:04 pm

I voted "other"...but right now, I really don't know. I will say that I don't fall into any of the Big Three(Christianity, Islam, or Judaism). Spiritually I've been kind of all over the place, especially within the past four years or so. I do believe in the concept of spirituality, but as far as religion goes...I haven't really found anything that "fits" me.



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15 Apr 2010, 11:10 pm

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This pretty much sums up my view on religion and politics.

[img][650:800]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Pyramid_of_Capitalist_System.gif[/img]


I think the army should be under the "we eat for you" class in that picture.


If you believe that you should join up. Sounds like a good deal, provided you do not go into harms way in combat.

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16 Apr 2010, 1:23 am

-goggles- copyrighted 1911? ^.-



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09 May 2010, 8:52 am

I was raised Catholic. My mom's Catholic, my dad was a non-denominational Christian. I'm not so sure about Catholicism, so I voted "Agnostic". I do believe there is some sort of god, but it is just a distant force.


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09 May 2010, 10:57 am

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I do believe there is some sort of god, but it is just a distant force.


It isn't agnosticism but deism.


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09 May 2010, 11:02 am

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Was born atheist. Was never convinced otherwise. Am still atheist.


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