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06 Apr 2010, 9:25 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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NASA is government from stem to stern. You can tell by its botched operations.

So Ruveyn, ignoring my list of successful government programs? And NASA has had a number of successes as well. They got some men to the moon and back, and a lot of useful technologies have emerged as a result of their efforts.


A broken 12 hour clock tells the right time twice a day.

Overall, government has no incentive to perform well. The sheeple tend to vote whoever looks prettiest on t.v., so there is little hope of improvement from the people at large.

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A broken twelve hour clock never tells the right time because one must know the correct time to ask that clock and therefore it never functions as a clock.



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07 Apr 2010, 12:03 pm

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The diaphoresis, shortness of breath, radiation of pain to the back, jaw, and/or left arm, weakness, and complaint of 'an elephant standing on my chest' are pretty good indicators.

Are you saying that I should be able to tell without a doctor? If so, why do we need a doctor again?


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It's tempting to let you figure that out yourself...

Here's a hint: Medicine in the time of Hippocrates was almost entirely diagnosing illness and prognosis, because there wasn't much we could do about any of it.



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07 Apr 2010, 12:07 pm

Orwell wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
NASA is government from stem to stern. You can tell by its botched operations.

So Ruveyn, ignoring my list of successful government programs? And NASA has had a number of successes as well. They got some men to the moon and back, and a lot of useful technologies have emerged as a result of their efforts.


Not to mention rovers on Mars that lived far beyond their life expectations; weather sattelites; the Hubble Space Telescope; and literally dozens of others..

So, Ruveyn, are do you think that space agencies that are privately run won't have disasters? Do you think that NASA would have had a worse record if the government had tighter control?

Also, the claim that 'government has no incentive to run well' is a little like the claim that theists throw out that I must have no reason to refrain from murdering my neighbor because I don't believe in any gods.
Most humans are naturally pro-social to some degree; if we weren't, we couldn't live together. The engineers didn't warn the NASA administrators because they thought they'd get bonuses for it; they warned the administrators because they didn't want to see people die and a beautiful piece of machinery destroyed.