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02 Jun 2010, 8:23 pm

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Is Gaza part of Israel or is it a separate country?

If it is part of Israel then they should give them food and aid.

If it is a separate country then why can they bomb them and blockade them without declaring war?

I could be mistaken but I think they're in one of those post-war occupations much like the US is with Iraq.

Perpetual war and crisis feeds the most perfect fascism.

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02 Jun 2010, 9:31 pm

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psychohist wrote:

Two excellent suggestions from Haaretz columnists:

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/op ... t-1.293671

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/op ... n-1.293670

The Land topic

The second article, about 'another option', is worth a talk. There is hope in that message.

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Moshe Arens is a right wing politician that while serving as a minister had a lot of chances at making things better and always chose the make them worse
All he cares about is keeping those louse few acres of land
the solution is simple and clear for many years
let the pals a state of their own so they can live as they practice their national and cultural identity freely

The first opinion is much better but was on the table many times and the problem with it is that no one want to take responsibility on Gaza
not Egypt,not the Arab league,not even the Gazan themselves
But it certainly worth a try

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02 Jun 2010, 9:47 pm

skafather84 wrote:

Wombat wrote:

I could be mistaken but I think they're in one of those post-war occupations much like the US is with Iraq.

Perpetual war and crisis feeds the most perfect fascism.

Indeed u mistaken (as usual) because unlike the US-Iraq situations Israel doesn't have troops stationed in Gaza nor administrator or advisors or 'i don't know what' any other of the american-British business there
Israel have 0 presence in Gaza,a fact that most reporters and opinion makers tend to forget

U don't have to declare war on a country in order to bomb it
if it shoot at u (which the Gazan do) u shoot back and is allowed to blockade it and search ships destined there at international water for weapons
Strangely enough most diplomats,news commentators and posters in the world aren't aware of this simple fact

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02 Jun 2010, 9:54 pm

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Perpetual war and crisis feeds the most perfect fascism.

That's very true but somehow Israel managed to stay more democratic than most countries in the world
There are many countries in the world which never wared and doesn't face any existence threat yet are much more closer to fascism than Israel

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02 Jun 2010, 10:02 pm

Israeli PM who's an activist on one of the ship.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1sH_RE4CY0[/youtube]

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02 Jun 2010, 10:25 pm

nara44 wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Perpetual war and crisis feeds the most perfect fascism.

Well said. That's exactly the mentality that perpetual war and crisis breeds. :lol:

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02 Jun 2010, 10:39 pm

skafather84 wrote:

nara44 wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Perpetual war and crisis feeds the most perfect fascism.

Well said. That's exactly the mentality that perpetual war and crisis breeds. :lol:

U might want to try and address facts instead of assuming other ppl mentalities
I know it's much harder and take real time and work and actual thinking but the shortest way to fascism and bigotry is pass through branding individuals with "mentality"
BTW
That is also the source for most of the wrongs done to the people diagnosed with AS
Please try to check your facts before talking on so bluntly and ignorantly on other ppl state of mind which u obviously knows nothing about
It seems that your little world is entirely image and misconceptions based
Try some facts for a change

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02 Jun 2010, 10:47 pm

skafather84 wrote:

nara44 wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Perpetual war and crisis feeds the most perfect fascism.

Well said. That's exactly the mentality that perpetual war and crisis breeds. :lol:

Here is another fact fresh from this very thread
"Israeli PM who's an activist on one of the ship."
Could u perceives a fascist country where such a thing would be possible ?
I'm sure that even the US would have a lot of trouble facing such situation let alone any of the nations surrounds us
But i guess no fact could penetrate your bigotry

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02 Jun 2010, 11:00 pm

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let the pals a state of their own so they can live as they practice their national and cultural identity freely

Unfortunately, given where the fence is, that seems to translate to "now that we've taken the best land for ourselves, the remaining palestinians can go hang".

Arens' suggestion is far more humane.

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02 Jun 2010, 11:03 pm

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From the quote, you could also say that it shows that Israel's actions are questionable as someone who lives in Israel would become an activist challenging the policies of its own country.

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02 Jun 2010, 11:39 pm

nara44 wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

nara44 wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Perpetual war and crisis feeds the most perfect fascism.

Well said. That's exactly the mentality that perpetual war and crisis breeds. :lol:

I laugh because it's sad and true that people tend to back up their government and assume the best of them in such times. It was done here, too. I have no problem calling out my government and its problems and I vote against the bastards every time and I tell people what's going on every time. The media has more control over them than common sense and reliable unbiased news sources. I would assume it's pretty similar over there since us humans aren't all that different other than the level of state wealth and the semantics of culture.

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03 Jun 2010, 12:24 am

jc6chan wrote:

nara44 wrote:

From the quote, you could also say that it shows that Israel's actions are questionable as someone who lives in Israel would become an activist challenging the policies of its own country.

Israel's actions are always questionable and are criticized from within like there's no tomorrow
Most Israelis are quite active in criticizing and even acting against the government and it policies are constantly reviewed by just about everyone and everywhere
(after all it's the land of the Jews and as the jokes goes where u find 2 Jews u also find 3 opinions,every one here is arguing his face of all the time,this is not Canada,everyone has an opinion and must be heard,it's a mad house out here,u must experience it for yourself to know what i mean)
The unity u mention are mark of a fascist states which Israel is certainly not

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03 Jun 2010, 12:34 am

nara44 wrote:

jc6chan wrote:

nara44 wrote:

From the quote, you could also say that it shows that Israel's actions are questionable as someone who lives in Israel would become an activist challenging the policies of its own country.

Perhaps if you got rid of your government of arrogant clowns people would take your problems more seriously.

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03 Jun 2010, 12:44 am

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Perhaps if you got rid of your government of arrogant clowns people would take your problems more seriously.

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03 Jun 2010, 12:52 am

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Perhaps if you got rid of your government of arrogant clowns people would take your problems more seriously.

I agree absolutely. That's why the USA and Israel find themselves such congenial partners.

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03 Jun 2010, 1:16 am

Sand wrote:

nara44 wrote:

Sand wrote:

Perhaps if you got rid of your government of arrogant clowns people would take your problems more seriously.

I agree absolutely. That's why the USA and Israel find themselves such congenial partners.

And that's why u r a perfect candidate for the Israeli or the american administration because u literally share their stupid and nonconstructive altitude toward the Gazan
"get rid of your government of arrogant clowns" before we can address your problems is the logic that drive Israel and Egypt treatment of Gaza
Seems like u missed a career of an arrogant clown
U could do very well as a politician and so are others on this thread who talk big and have no eye to details and nuances

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