Medical Marijuana for the Disabled and Dieing

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and all you desire is to keep it illegal despite the harm that it currently does.





you apparently missed the part where i said that it isn't for everyone and that some people will abuse it and that others just won't like it and won't want to do it and some others will simply abstain from it all together without experimentation or anything. i'm not preaching people should smoke, i'm preaching that people should beable to in a responsible manner if they choose to. just like people can drink alcohol in a responsible manner if they choose to.



i just listed in my last entry everything that's bad about it and the negative effects that can come from overuse and abuse of it. but you are right, i did say it's my right to do it anyways...because it's not the government's job to control ever facet of an individual's life. if the government's job was to say what's best for the individual, the government could also easily dictate that everyone should be christian; monogamous; if you have sex outside of marriage, you're going to jail; if you smoke a cigarette or drink a beer, you're doing to jail. my point being that it is the government's job to manage the country but not manage people's lives.




we seem to have different definitions of availability. i think that it being illegal and readily available (it's easy to grow, remember?) is much more dangerous and much more available than legal and regulated both at which age it is sold at and who can grow it. you keep it illegal and kids can buy it no matter what age so long as they have the money. not to mention that many companies drug test and will not hire you if you test positive for marijuana despite the fact that the basis behind this practice is as assinine as implying that someone who drinks alcohol on the weekend is gonna show up to work drunk. if it were to be legalized, such idiocy would be stopped.



actually if i wanted reduced costs, i'd keep it illegal. weed is easy and cheap to get. and again, it's more available currently to underaged kids than it would be if it were legal. also: as far as production of tobacco or alcohol: the reason why it's produced more easily is because people learn how to produce it because it makes them self-sufficient from drug dealers and the potential to get caught. i'd put every cent i'd ever see to my name that most people who grow would stop if it meant that pot would be legalized and others would do the harvesting work for them and they wouldn't have to worry about drug dealers or getting busted.

you really seem to be confusing availability with market saturation. just because a market is saturated with a product doesn't mean the product is available to all. alcohol is a great example of that. and if parents were more responsible with their liquor cabinets and watching their kids in general, high school consumption of alcohol would probably drop a good bit. but then again, there's always the attraction to the forbidden. which is probably what makes pot attractive to many people...it's something that's relatively safe that's forbidden. (you can't overdose and die on it and it doesn't mess with youer hypothalimus gland like ecstacy does)



it is a serious issue. one that ruins thousands of lives daily because of a stupid law that makes criminals out of otherwise law-abiding citizens and ruins lives and oppertunities in the process. and it isn't the people who shouldn't be committing the act, it's the law that shouldn't be making criminals out of good people.

make a crime out of something that shouldn't be and you get real criminals.



i agree fully with this statement.



ps, please don't address me like as if i'm some pothead with some slowed, slurred stoner drawl.


pps, how old are you? you sound like me when i was 13 or so....very much for legalization for medical and industrial use but frowned on casual use because at the time i felt like it illigitimized the whole persuit. that, of course changed over time with interaction with various people who smoke and, eventually, smoking it myself.

ppps, i'm willing to bet that if you listen to music created after the 1930s, that at least 20% of it was written by artists who casually smoke marijuana...and of course that percentage goes up as you get closer to more modern times and have better documentation of it and people become more open about their usage (and in some cases, too open).

Any form of partial legalization for everyone, notice how you try to debate that everyone but people you think is ok as in blindingly intrusting they will. By making it legal it can be grown by everyone or obtainable that is of a certain age .

You make many excuses to devoid yourself of what you are really asking to be enacted, total legalization in this respect more minors will have access. You insinuate making acts of crime and the punishment as the crime, the law is logical but yet the punishment is harsh.

It is just a medicine, with more availability under your ideological purgative you simply make the solution for the further accessibility as some sort of "not for everyone" statement but really more accessible to everyone. Your ideology would intoxicate more, meanwhile making the substance more available.

Ultimately and most importantly it is for the patients, not potheads whom desire to twist truth of the reality in true possibilities. You could ultimately not truly care as long as you and others like you got a legal high.

It’s a medicine, I have said this before; You don’t eat pain pills for launch do you? It’s all about the addictive pattern you yourself have, getting high.

Total legalization would be a very big mistake.

A medicine is a medicine when appropriate, due to the nature of the substance it needs serious control measures.

Pharmaceuticalization

http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/marijuana/pot_doc.html

for the parts where they're talking about inconsistancies in studies and improper methods and pseudo-science, look up the book mismeasure of man by stephen jay gould....it's basically a short history of how pseudo-science has been legitimized over the years and continues even today with the IQ test and other such flawed measurements of intellegence. a great read and really puts science into perspective and allows a perspective of how science can be perverted and tampered with to show whatever desired result. finding what answers you expect to find through conscious and unconscious mistakes and assumptions.

The Danger is clear with total and partial legalization excluding patients.

With leniency in the law pertaining to the use of the substance, excluding medicinal purposes approved by a doctor, it will grow increasingly frequently openly. Thus become more available to anyone pondering the idea of attempting it, then after initial intoxication risking addictive patterns thereafter.

That is logical possibility and is not a false pseudo-science, it reflects a truth logically.

*Brain washed monkey pot head – A person whom smokes M.J that wants it legalized for regular folks to use as to legitimize a common delusion found in some that others are high around them as well when they are on it.

it isn't logical at all, actually....because you're following one specific pathline that could be taken after legalization and focusing on that alone. that's tunnel vision, not science.

in fact, your entire argument has been based on assumptions and myths and you've yet to base it on any facts. so with that in mind, i'm doing being trolled along in this thread....find another fish.

It is very logical, in fact legalization would indeed make more available, cheaper and more consistantly. Your simply trying to devoid the fact of what you really want dispite what it will do. Entirely selfish and absent of regaurd to others, a pot head radical which will look at facts and say it is tunel vision when that's what the goal is.

You want one thing no matter what, your high. It's no wonder your brand of politic specifically is not endorsed by the majorities.

Facts like I have said here concernign distribution possibilities are not improbable, however likely in the illusion of your legalization ideopathology.

Well this has been an interesting topic, one in which enjoyment was found creatively debating one side. I'm going to have to conclude the total legalization debate and say I am right they are wrong as I must admit I have done a wonderful job challenging the view point.

It must have to do with the debate books I am reading, but I cannot really say I am using any defined methodologies read. Causality has its limits, especially with arguing psycho-casuals, but some things of physicality such as objects (plants) absent of the dynamic mind solely are easily casually logical in theoretical scenarios. Some more probable then others, yet some more subjectively probable in outcome then other scenarios obviously, yet distribution psychopathologies and methodologies given the circumstances in scenarios presented I deem highly probable.


Probabilistic Causation

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/causa ... abilistic/

How about this for a result:
It is impossible to completely ban marijuanna.
If the country that attempts to ban marijuanna uses a police force to enact its paternalistic style of discipline, the result is death in one form or another.
Either the large organized grow ups kill police that try to raid the place or the police kill some of the members.
How can we prevent this death?