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05 Sep 2010, 1:02 pm

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If having a child is such a risk, then why do people bother having any at all?


There is no way of logically explaining silliness and madness.

I suppose that is the answer to that, and yeah, that I agree on.


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05 Sep 2010, 3:16 pm

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I advise everyone on this forum: don't buy into the "Quality of Life" argument. It was devised as an excuse to take the lives of undesirables, invented by people who see themselves as superior to the rest of the world. (i.e., professors who thought they had more right to live than a mentally ret*d person, a German who thought he/she was superior to a Jew, an able-bodied person who thought he/she was superior to a disabled person, etc.)


Maybe so, but I can assure you that life is a balance between "quality" and "quantity."

I have an advance medical directive so that if I'm in a condition where I'm not likely to recover, I don't want doctors trying to save me.

Likewise, if I reach a point where the trial of trying to live day to day makes life itself practically unbearable, I'd prefer to not be alive.

Mere existence IS NOT sufficient cause to go on living.

Knowing a child will have a mere shadow of a life because of something you can't fix makes you wonder how humane it is to bring such a child into the world.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:08 pm

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So you would let a Down Syndrome baby be born knowing that the child will grow up facing hardships and mockery?


I have no say. I have a pecker and two balls.

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The medical world has proved that all feteuses are female, its just some that develop into male. So, basically, we are all female anyway.



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05 Sep 2010, 4:10 pm

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The medical world has proved that all feteuses are female, its just some that develop into male. So, basically, we are all female anyway.

Abortion before turning into males should be mandatory.


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05 Sep 2010, 6:48 pm

Craig28 wrote:
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So you would let a Down Syndrome baby be born knowing that the child will grow up facing hardships and mockery?


I have no say. I have a pecker and two balls.

ruveyn


The medical world has proved that all feteuses are female, its just some that develop into male. So, basically, we are all female anyway.


that makes no sense living people ain't fetuses, and if we are all female why does the word male exist?



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05 Sep 2010, 6:53 pm

ikorack wrote:
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So you would let a Down Syndrome baby be born knowing that the child will grow up facing hardships and mockery?


I have no say. I have a pecker and two balls.

ruveyn


The medical world has proved that all feteuses are female, its just some that develop into male. So, basically, we are all female anyway.


that makes no sense living people ain't fetuses, and if we are all female why does the word male exist?


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05 Sep 2010, 7:18 pm

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The medical world has proved that all feteuses are female, its just some that develop into male. So, basically, we are all female anyway.



Pay close attention now: XX = female Xy = male.

Got it?

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05 Sep 2010, 7:52 pm

Craig28 wrote:
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So you would let a Down Syndrome baby be born knowing that the child will grow up facing hardships and mockery?


I have no say. I have a pecker and two balls.

ruveyn


The medical world has proved that all feteuses are female, its just some that develop into male. So, basically, we are all female anyway.


Someone who is anti-choice having no bleeding clue about fetal development, genetics, or general biology; what a shocker!! !

I'm not saying you're not welcome to your morals, I'm just saying you have no place in the legislative process because you'd make the world more a mess than it already is because of your moralistic companions who already can't mind their business in other aspects in life.


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05 Sep 2010, 8:50 pm

Craig28 wrote:
ikorack wrote:
Craig28 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
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So you would let a Down Syndrome baby be born knowing that the child will grow up facing hardships and mockery?


I have no say. I have a pecker and two balls.

ruveyn


The medical world has proved that all feteuses are female, its just some that develop into male. So, basically, we are all female anyway.


that makes no sense living people ain't fetuses, and if we are all female why does the word male exist?


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06 Sep 2010, 10:34 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
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I advise everyone on this forum: don't buy into the "Quality of Life" argument. It was devised as an excuse to take the lives of undesirables, invented by people who see themselves as superior to the rest of the world. (i.e., professors who thought they had more right to live than a mentally ret*d person, a German who thought he/she was superior to a Jew, an able-bodied person who thought he/she was superior to a disabled person, etc.)


Maybe so, but I can assure you that life is a balance between "quality" and "quantity."

I have an advance medical directive so that if I'm in a condition where I'm not likely to recover, I don't want doctors trying to save me.

Likewise, if I reach a point where the trial of trying to live day to day makes life itself practically unbearable, I'd prefer to not be alive.

Mere existence IS NOT sufficient cause to go on living.

Knowing a child will have a mere shadow of a life because of something you can't fix makes you wonder how humane it is to bring such a child into the world.


I'm a Christian, so I believe in a deity that is personally involved in the workings of the universe. I have often wondered if it would be right or wrong just to let someone go if they are close to dying, or in extreme cases like people in vegetative states. I concluded that if God (or the universe or whatever the reader of this post believes to be in charge) wanted that person to die on that date, it would have set up events so that he or she would just die. Therefore, in the case of a vegetative state, for example, the person has a reason for still being alive in a vegetative state. I believe that a life that would seem to have a purpose in continuing, however obscure to us, shouldn't be terminated.


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07 Sep 2010, 3:23 am

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I'm a Christian, so I believe in a deity that is personally involved in the workings of the universe. I have often wondered if it would be right or wrong just to let someone go if they are close to dying, or in extreme cases like people in vegetative states. I concluded that if God (or the universe or whatever the reader of this post believes to be in charge) wanted that person to die on that date, it would have set up events so that he or she would just die. Therefore, in the case of a vegetative state, for example, the person has a reason for still being alive in a vegetative state. I believe that a life that would seem to have a purpose in continuing, however obscure to us, shouldn't be terminated.


You are a member in good standing of the Church of Christian Agony? Is that so?

If you hold this position I hope you never shovel the snow off your sidewalk in the winter. God put the snow there, let Him take it away. Yes?

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07 Sep 2010, 9:36 am

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I concluded that if God wanted



What never surprises me about you delusional theists is that you think you have some direct means to the thought process of a higher being and yet your only qualification to do so is that you listen to some poorly trained schmuck with an ugly collar tell you what he thinks of a book written a dozen or so centuries ago while never philosophically engaging the stories or challenging whether what's contained is really divine or simply the influence of man. You never think in anywhere in the process before this point...so why do you think you're all of a sudden qualified to start thinking about any issue of morals or philosophy?

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I'm a Christian, so I believe in a deity that is personally involved in the workings of the universe.



One doesn't preclude the other. It's actually one of the contentious points that has caused one of the many various schisms of the "one true religion" *snicker*.


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07 Sep 2010, 12:16 pm

I've yet to see an anti-choicer address the relevant issue- a forced parastic relationship.

There's no other aspect of society whereby anyone alleges there exists a "right" to subsist off someone against that person's will,
and it's similarly ludicrious to assert it when it comes to reproductive rights.


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07 Sep 2010, 12:48 pm

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I've yet to see an anti-choicer address the relevant issue- a forced parastic relationship.

There's no other aspect of society whereby anyone alleges there exists a "right" to subsist off someone against that person's will,
and it's similarly ludicrious to assert it when it comes to reproductive rights.

They would address the right to life given that they recognize the fetus as a person, rather than a parasite, and children, when they are born, are given priority over the parents when it comes to rights, so they would do so with fetuses (the idea of giving the child's right still in the womb more priority over the mother's right).


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07 Sep 2010, 1:07 pm

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There's no other aspect of society whereby anyone alleges there exists a "right" to subsist off someone against that person's will,



What a horrible approach. You'll get conservatives throwing taxes and what not in your face and then the whole "a child has to subsist off a parent against the parent's will until they are 18" and then say that the fetus is the same thing as a born child.


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07 Sep 2010, 4:03 pm

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What a horrible approach. You'll get conservatives throwing taxes and what not in your face and then the whole "a child has to subsist off a parent against the parent's will until they are 18" and then say that the fetus is the same thing as a born child.


The taxes analogy is an interesting one, though I'd argue that ownership of one's body is of a fundamentally different nature than ownership of capital.

In contrast, a child doesn't have a right to subsist off of any one person, which is why the adoption system exists for unwilling/unable parents.


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