please explain the Tea Party to a canuck

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The wars are a significant cost, but the Tea Party sees them as necessary because without defending our borders, everything else is at risk.

Plenty of people compared Bush to Hitler and the rise of Nazi Germany, going so far to call 9/11 a false flag like the Reichstag fire during his term... I didn't consider it a fair comparison then, nor do I consider it a fair comparison to Obama today. It's just childish name calling and false connections.

The Democrats have not even proposed any tax increase for the bottom 98% of wage earners, much less attempted to implement them. Yet another conservative myth.


I made such a purchase last week and I didn't fill out any forms.


Hm... you know, I actually agree with you on that. Any provision, for instance, that takes the power to declare war away from Congress (which should constitutionally hold that power) and instead transfers the authority to the President I would consider unconstitutional. Any law that allows warrantless wiretapping, indefinite arrest and detention without being charged with a crime, torture, human rights abuses, I would also consider unconstitutional and unacceptable. All of those things I would consider unconstitutional, and would refuse to compromise on. Now who is the President who implemented such policies...

And before you say anything, yes, I know Democrats voted for those provisions as well. I don't support the Democrats who compromised on issues of basic human rights.


I'm not a fan of the individual mandate (largely because I don't think it accomplishes anything other than guarantee a captive market for the insurance companies), although I fail to see how it is so terribly different from, say, car insurance which everyone is required to purchase. There is no movement, to my knowledge, that seeks to overturn the legal requirement to have auto insurance.

But just out of curiosity, you singled out the individual mandate as unconstitutional and cited this unconstitutionality as a reason to reject healthcare reform wholesale without even considering compromise. If the individual mandate had been removed, do you think it would be reasonable to negotiate and discuss the other provisions of the bill?

What do middle Eastern wars have to do with our borders?

Well here is the thing the Democrats forgot to include the Severability Clause (because they didn't bother to read their own bill) so if the Supreme Court rules this one item unconstitutional the whole 2000+ monstrosity gets thrown out.

I never said there aren't parts of the bill that are good, in fact Republicans wanted this all to be split up into smaller bills to be voted on so the things that had bipartisan agreement could get passed, but the Dems had to go all or nothing... Would you want your representive to sign off on a bill they haven't even read? I sure wouldn't I would want them to stonewall at least until they had the chance to read the thing.

OK, but I was presenting a hypothetical scenario. Imagine we're back during the healthcare debate, and the Democrats pull the individual mandate out of the bill. Your response?


No one in Congress reads any of the bills they vote on. Come on now, most of these people (both Democrat and Republican) majored in business or political science or some similar BS field when they were in college. They simply aren't at the intellectual level where they have the attention span to read and understand hundreds of pages of legalese.

I did enjoy one particular irony: my congressman went on TV slamming the Democrats for failing to read the bill, and when asked it turns out that he hadn't bothered to read it either. The hypocrisy amuses me. Of course, it was the same under the Bush administration: the Democrats ragged on Republicans for not reading legislation that the Democrats hadn't read either. And round and round it goes. Who writes these bills anyways?

That's why I say Washington is broken if they can't explain it without 'legalese' and need 2000+ pages to explain it I sure as heck wouldn't vote for it.



Which version of the bill? The Republicans weren't given the entire bill to look at until less that 2 AM the morning of the day the bill was being voted on. Apparently though the Democrats who wrote it didn't even bother to read it.

Hope you like that SB 1070.

The Islamic militants seek to attack us on our own soil. We fight to eliminate the people that caused 9/11 and eliminate people that seek to do that again. We cannot afford to leave them a safe base from which they can attack us.

Are you sure you have the reference to the right bill? SB 1070 is the Arizona illegal immigration law. Do you mean IRS form 1099?

If we're imagining that then we have to imagine everyone at Fox News lying about death panels and telling every viewer that the democrats wanted to kill grandma and grandpa.

How is sacrificing our young men in Afghanistan defending our borders? In spite of the blood spilled in Afghanistan al Quedah mail bombs still get through to our country.

ruveyn

US borders are scattered all over the world. As a rule of thumb, if it has oil or gas, it is in US borders.


[x] Watches only fox news and only reads drudge.

Ladies and gentlemen, they actually exist! I am scared.


I do not have amnesia . The tea party are a bunch of reactionary republicans that started doing Fox News-sponsored spectacles out of their fears of Obama destroying the constitution because he is Muslim and black. Any time people try to pretend the tea party is anything else than that I know there are some pants of fire around.


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There were plenty of causes for the financial collapse. For one, Nobel-winning economics simulation models were over optimistic which caused people to invest when they shouldn't and lose tons of money in the market. There is also the whole "Credit Card" idea which I am sure people in 2112 will laugh on us about for thinking it was a good idea to give credits for consumer instead and not just for houses and actual investments...

The people that are responsible for the financial collapse, will most likely ALWAYS be in power. It does not matter if a republican or democrat or tea party or party party wins the elections seeing how the banks and Wall Street will always be able to lobby them. I also be ya that the republicans would have as well done all the bailouts if they were in chair.
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Anyway, if anyone actually thinks that Obama is anything leftier than center-right , (s)he really needs to take the head out of the US sand.

Inuyasha, I notice you consistently avoid responding to any of my substantive points, and any facts that are presented that go against your views are simply dismissed out of hand, with the assumption that they must be lies from a biased source. I can only conclude that you are a partisan hack with extreme confirmation bias.

You're mental if you think the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have done anything to improve domestic security or reduce/eliminate the threat of Islamic militants.

First, sorry, but I gotta call out a lie when I see it. Obama/Dem tax increases.
1. Cigarette tax, Has a disproportionately large effect on the poor as the poor smoke more than the rich. Also accounts for a larger percent of income for a poor person than a rich one.
2. 10% tanning salon tax. disproportionate impact on particular groups. Also known as the white tax, as they are the primary users of tanning salons.
3. Cadillac insurance tax. Those who have insurance that is too good, have to pay a 40% tax on their insurance premiums. already passed as law to go into effect 2018
4. Medical Insurance Mandate. Yea, I'm sure this is going to piss you off, but Obama's lawyers have stated on the record in court that the mandate to buy health insurance is constitutional because it is simply a tax and therefore within the authority of the federal government's power to lay and collect taxes.
5. 2.3% excise tax on certain medical devices
6. tax on brand name pharmaceuticals.
7. Increase, from 7.5% to 10% of income, the threshold after which individuals can deduct out of pocket medical expenses.

And the difference with auto insurance is that you do not have to buy a car, or have a drivers license so you can choose not to have auto insurance. With the heath care mandate, you do not have a choice as death is the only way to opt out but suicide is illegal. So it is a tax on living.

Boehner must hate this one!

Seriously though, these complaints are reaching quite a bit. Eff the tanners and eff the smokers. They're a significant factor in why our healthcare costs are rising so high to begin with. This reminds me of the commercial with the mom in the supermarket who's angry because she can't afford to feed her family if the gov puts a tax on soda. Give me a break, soda's not even food. She'd be doing her family a favor by not buying it.

I've cut out all soda from my diet. Wasn't hard and I don't miss it. If I want something sweet, I can fix a glass of chocolate milk or have a glass of OJ. Otherwise, it's all water.