How can someone with Aspergers be left-wing?

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I know that, but most of the jobs surfacing are jobs that pay even less than that with no benefits. All the skilled jobs are being shipped overseas so companies don't have to deal with the tax code and a President that obviously hates businesses large and small.

Actually there are shortages at the top and bottom of the scale. As you say, low paying jobs are going begging because they're not competitive with welfare & unemployment; high skill jobs, such as doctors and software engineers, are going begging because with the threat of tax increases, early or temporary retirement can look like an attractive alternative.

It can be that some people are better off on unemployment, but there's a limit to how long you can claim, and those with pre-existing conditions are effectively shafted without job benefits if they don't understand how to 'play the game'.

It doesn't help either when hard-working people get shafted by the system and then get labeled with the generalisations attributed to unemployment. Suddenly they're just one more person looking for a hand-out.

Sadly it's the genuinely work-shy that come up smelling of roses when the excrement is flying.

Finding a socialist system to be the best solution can easily be seen as the most logical way to keep up a society. Being humane is a logical solution. What is logical with people who are depressed, or otherwise sick, not having any place in society? If some may find that they are inferior and a burden to society, remember that Aspies fall into this category, far more often than others. Although people you greatly dislike also get help with a socialist system, you have to remember all those that even you think deserve help, and get it, thanks to that system. You have to have a neutral view on it. In my own case, if I had been born in the US instead of in Sweden, I would've killed myself, a long time ago. There would be no economical help at all to get there. As for the gibberish about leftists wanting to live in a collective... what leftists are you talking about? I myself am a very individual person, I am indeed a leftist, and I see the overwhelming importance of socialism, for one to be able to live in a non-savage society. A society where help isn't offered to those who can't pay, such as how it is in the US, among others, is a savage society in the way it works. I bet that if you were in a situation where you, your sister, brother, mother, father, son or daughter, or maybe your best friend, girlfriend, boyfriend, wife or husband, or whoever else you would care about, would get no help - not even economical - and you would be unable to help, either - and he or she would just be left for theirself with the only hope being to buy a lottery ticket - I think that if you would have some empathy, you would find that to be savage treatment. And I think you would also be able to see it as illogical that they would receive no help, merely due to poor luck in life, or being born with the "wrong" parents. There is no direct connection between leftism and wanting to live in a collective. Leftism merely dictates to show empathy on default. That doesn't mean you can't dislike or hate people in a leftist society, despite that you agree with the system. I myself hate countless people, and find that countless people should be put to death in horrible ways that some would even have a hard time to imagine. Despite this, I find that everyone should be shown a default empathy from *general* society. What I, then, *myself*, think about someone, is a whole different matter, and is not in conflict with the system.

Also, being an Aspie doesn't mean that you have to see things logically. I knew a girl very well, some years ago, who had been diagnosed with a strong case of Asperger's, and she unquestionably also had it. She had a lot of funny, random thoughts, that could be seen as out of logic. Also, she considered herself to be a communist. As for myself... I have not been diagnosed with it, but I should have been, and I almost were at a time. I'm certain that I have it, today - pretty much everything points to it. While I appreciate logic an unusually great deal, I also have many views, that I firmly believe in, that most would find entirely out of logic, such as my self-"invented" religion that is about sex and death under true love, the giving of each other's virginities, to one another, to become one, and, with time, joining together with your love in a romantic suicide pact. Totally illogical to some, but of course, in my mind, the only logical way to see at life. :) While these are rather extreme views of mine, I think you may find that many Aspies at least tend to want to wait for the right one. Where is the logic in finding the right one? From an evolutionary logic, fùcking around like crazy would be the most "logical" thing to do. However, of course, in reality, there is no logic in wanting to make children, anyway, since Earth is going to get incinerated in the faraway future, anyway, and imagining your offsping to leave the planet for another is, today, an idea that holds no scientific logic... and even if possible, it'd still lead to the end of your lineage, with time, anyway.

Logical but unworkable. Every socialist system has either failed outright or has become economically mediocre. It is the primarily market driven systems that produce the new technology and now-a-days that includes China which is no longer Marxist. It is just a thug regime that allows its market sector to operate. Confucius says: if goose lays golden eggs do not make roast goose out of it.

ruveyn

@Beauty_pact
Socialism doesn't work especially not on a large scale. Also I prefer having my freedoms to being guarenteed to have stuff.

For instance, your freedom of speech is a joke, you give special rights to some individuals if they believe a certain way.

Heck the reason why conservatives are against hate speech laws is how it is abused in Europe (including in Sweden).

Furthermore, your country may end up eventually like Greece which was also Socialist.

You can keep your Socialism, I'll pass.

True blue socialists could not run a lemonade stand at a profit.

ruveyn

a mercenary regime is no good for folk who lack mercenary [moneymaking] genes. not everybody is "marketable," and no amount of horatio alger fuzzbusting is going to change that. i will take "economic mediocrity" over the ol' dog-eat-dog anyday of the week. both sides [left and right] are just talking past each other, there is no real communication taking place here.

[quote="auntblabby"

a mercenary regime is no good for folk who lack mercenary [moneymaking] genes. not everybody is "marketable," and no amount of horatio alger fuzzbusting is going to change that. i will take "economic mediocrity" over the ol' dog-eat-dog anyday of the week. both sides [left and right] are just talking past each other, there is no real communication taking place here.[/quote]

You might well "take it" but it is the economically energetic and ambitious folk who create new industries, new technology and new science. The Poor Miserable Folk you sympathize with are ballast at the bottom of the hull.

To the victors belong the spoils.

ruveyn

to proudly claim that as the highest standard of human behavior is patent mediocrity in my book. take it away, you can have it. it makes me want to vomit all over it.

Funny, cause usually businessmen actually donate quite a bit to charity. Furthermore, the very Conservatives you complain about also give more of their own money to helping the needy than Liberals.

The upshot is that Democrats, who speak passionately about the hungry and homeless, personally fork over less money to charity than Republicans — the ones who try to cut health insurance for children.

“When I started doing research on charity,” Mr. Brooks wrote, “I expected to find that political liberals — who, I believed, genuinely cared more about others than conservatives did — would turn out to be the most privately charitable people. So when my early findings led me to the opposite conclusion, I assumed I had made some sort of technical error. I re-ran analyses. I got new data. Nothing worked. In the end, I had no option but to change my views.”

Something similar is true internationally. European countries seem to show more compassion than America in providing safety nets for the poor, and they give far more humanitarian foreign aid per capita than the United States does. But as individuals, Europeans are far less charitable than Americans.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opini ... ml?_r=1&em

Upchuck, but make sure it lands in YOUR bucket. I am stating a fact about the world. It is not a lovely fact, but it is a fact. And your desire to kill the messenger (me, or those like me) does not diminish the truth of the message one iota. What is true is true, whether we like it or not.

You confuse your fondest wishes with feasibility. That is a bad mistake.

You will notice, that despite what Jesus said on the mount, the Meek have NOT inherited the earth. Sorry about that.

ruveyn

I think if you investigate things a bit further, you may find that Sweden has a surprisingly well-functioning economy. This was the case even before the center-right government came to power in 2006 (a government that would be seen as far left in a country such as the US). In fact, the economy worked far better with the far more socialist Socialdemokraterna, before September 2006, far before having to regard the economical crisis, that has hit Sweden rather mildly, by the way.




I wasn't talking about having "stuff". I was talking about having an apartment to live in, a welfare that prevents the random, barely even merely indirect killing of innocents, and enough money to live on so you don't end up feeling forced to prostitute yourself. Ok?




I guess that is why neo-nazis have their full right to march the streets, here? While in the US, not even swearing is allowed on television? Here we even allow it in children's programmes... wow. :B

Not that I'm saying that part is flawless in Sweden, but it is far better than in almost all other countries. At least we don't get arrested and beaten down by the police, like in the US, just for not being in the safe zones.




Greece ended up that way because of corruption and poor economical decisions. I'm afraid that you know nothing of what you're talking about. Don't believe everything you hear on Fox News.




It's the other way around, here. We are reds, here... or even dark reds. You know, like the colour of the Soviet flag? That is a joke, by the way, to be clear.

Sweden's greatest export was ABBA. After that the Volvo. So much for socialism.

How many Nobel prizes for physics have gone to Swedes? And how much Swedish art hangs in the major museums of the world.

Five hundred years of democracy and brotherhood and what have they produced? The Volvo and the SAAB. I will be impressed with Sweden when the Swedes land a Socialist on Mars.

If you want a boring welfare state, Sweden is the place to live.

ruveyn

Haha, you're truly an idiot. But what is there to expect from someone who finds it right to mow down Afghani children? There are far, far more examples than those you bring up, and that in a country with a population a bit over 9 million. What population does the US have, hmm?

EDIT: As for the Nobel prizes... amusing example, considering that they are handed out in Sweden. Except the peace prize, that is; that one is handed out in Norway.

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Cute, if someone deliberately mowed down children like that in the US Military they would be court-martialled (maybe even executed). The fact you neglect to mention is that the Taliban like to use little kids as human shields, when the enemy does something like that you do what you can to not hit the children but the person at fault is the ones using children as shields.