Sen. Bernie Sanders - The War Against Working Families

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07 Dec 2010, 10:26 pm

And establishes monopoly, therefore eliminating competition, or competitors. <.< Do you really want that? So much for having the freedom to chose.

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07 Dec 2010, 10:33 pm

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And establishes monopoly, therefore eliminating competition, or competitors. <.< Do you really want that? So much for having the freedom to chose.

Do you want the government to be the sole proprietor of businesses? What would you propose. Limiting the size of firms. Limiting their income. If you do that you limit the number of people they can employ.

You will notice that Wal-Mart may be the largest retail employer but it is far from the only retail employers. So much for monopoly. Monopoly means EXACTLY ONE. This is not the situation in the real world.

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08 Dec 2010, 9:34 am

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Inequality actually decreased in France during this time. That from 1981-95 the Socialist Mitterand was President and though Chirac was described as conservative, he was not of the new type that took over in the Anglosphere.

Wasn't Chirac doing a lot of business with Saddam including selling military equipment to the despot.

US also gave military support to Saddam, the despot, in the 80s. Check the link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... 93Iraq_war

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08 Dec 2010, 9:41 am

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And I hated Linear Algebra. There was something about it that just seemed a little over my head, mostly the programming stuff my prof. made us do. I did great at Differential Equations, though.

Linear Algebra can seem dry at the introductory level. It's easy when you're first learning the theory to think "what's the point of this". Later on it really has a ton of applications though. Everything from statistics, to fluid dynamics, to 3D graphics / CGI design. Empirical orthogonal functions (EOFs) are used a lot in my field, which is climate science.

Small world

! I've got a BS in atmospheric science, minor in math, emphasis on climatology (do they even call it that anymore?).

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08 Dec 2010, 9:43 am

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It's not as if there would be nothing to fill a void if Walmart did not exist. Just here in New England, three regional retail chains closed in the late 90s as a result of Walmart's expansion into the region.

It is called competition. That is what keeps prices low.

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Cheap labor in China is what keeps prices low.

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08 Dec 2010, 10:01 am

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It is called competition. That is what keeps prices low.

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Cheap labor in China is what keeps prices low.

And Americans who import from China or do business there enjoy a competitive edge. China is what makes Wal-Mart the place to buy stuff. Prices are low. People who do not do as Wal-Mart does often go out of business.

What do you have against cheap labor? Do you enjoy cheap (inexpensive) merchandise? If so, then praise cheap labor.

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08 Dec 2010, 10:28 am

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It is called competition. That is what keeps prices low.

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Cheap labor in China is what keeps prices low.

American unemployment is what I have against cheap labor. We don't need cheap crap, we need jobs.

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08 Dec 2010, 10:45 am

[quote="number5"

American unemployment is what I have against cheap labor. We don't need cheap crap, we need jobs.[/quote]

The solution is bright and clear. Abolish minimum wages and have Americans work for lower wages. Unemployment will disappear in a thrice.

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08 Dec 2010, 10:52 am

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[quote="number5"

American unemployment is what I have against cheap labor. We don't need cheap crap, we need jobs.

The solution is bright and clear. Abolish minimum wages and have Americans work for lower wages. Unemployment will disappear in a thrice.

ruveyn[/quote]

Or....
Double the minimum wage (maybe then it might be more in-line with a living wage) and heavily tax companies that ship our jobs overseas. Maybe then the workers could afford to buy the products that they ultimately produce.

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08 Dec 2010, 11:03 am

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Or....
Double the minimum wage (maybe then it might be more in-line with a living wage) and heavily tax companies that ship our jobs overseas. Maybe then the workers could afford to buy the products that they ultimately produce.

If the companies are taxed they will either go out of business or move overseas. There are plenty of third world countries who would be glad to host them and not tax them to death. No, Americans should work cheap, just like peasants in India or Brazil.

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08 Dec 2010, 11:52 am

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As long as you don't have to.

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08 Dec 2010, 1:15 pm

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As long as you don't have to.

If one has the skill and talent to do better, then he should. Let the cream in the milk rise as high as it can.

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08 Dec 2010, 3:02 pm

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As long as you don't have to.

If one has the skill and talent to do better, then he should. Let the cream in the milk rise as high as it can.

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Since you've broken down to platitudes: A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

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08 Dec 2010, 3:20 pm

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As long as you don't have to.

If one has the skill and talent to do better, then he should. Let the cream in the milk rise as high as it can.

ruveyn

Since you've broken down to platitudes: A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

How do you account for the fact that a Poor Boy like Tom Edison became a major league inventor, developer and business man? How did Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniac do it? Bill Gates was not born a billionaire, he -became- one.

With luck and pluck talent will show itself.

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08 Dec 2010, 10:24 pm

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ruveyn wrote:

marshall wrote:

As long as you don't have to.

If one has the skill and talent to do better, then he should. Let the cream in the milk rise as high as it can.

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Since you've broken down to platitudes: A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

I'd assume all these people were well enough to have some free time on their hands and have access to some kind of mentor to spur their curiosity. In your social darwinist dystopia the poor peasants would spend 16 hours a day doing grunt work and spend the rest of the time eating and sleeping. It wouldn't matter what someone's IQ is. If they have no access to any kind of educational material because they can't afford it and are given no free time to learn or employ creative thinking then they will just stay where they're at for as long as they live (or even more likely they'd commit suicide since 24/7 grunt work and nothing else is a form of torture for anyone with an IQ over 125).

It wouldn't even be a true form of social darwinism since fitness in the dystopian capitalist society is determined mainly through the availability of inherited wealth for education and social positioning through nepotism rather than any natural merit or ability.

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08 Dec 2010, 11:07 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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American unemployment is what I have against cheap labor. We don't need cheap crap, we need jobs.

The solution is bright and clear. Abolish minimum wages and have Americans work for lower wages. Unemployment will disappear in a thrice.

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Sure people would have jobs, but we wouldn't have first world status of living. Is a race to the bottom a really good idea?

And I highly doubt corporations would entirely pull out of the United States, considering we have a population of over 300 million. There's far too much of a marketplace here for any serious global entity to just ignore.

EDIT: Fixed quote brackets

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