US: Consistently anti-women legislature this year.

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That may very well be. But what what is in the woman belongs to the woman. It is her property until it comes out. And then it receives social and legal protection.

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The solution is not to make abortion illegal but to make individuals get sex ed. That pro-lifers tend to oppose to giving appropriate sex ed in schools does not help.

That's a rather silly argument, considering next you can draw the line and say you are property until you are 2, then it can be changed to you are property until you are 18.

You can't institute arbitrary lines like this, you are either a person or you are property of your legal guardian/parents.

Nothing is perfectly rational about making false attributions of motives based on nothing more than your own self righteousness. Making baseless accusations of woman and child hatred is an attack on a person, cuz what you are saying is that my stance boils down to deep seated hatred of women and children. It is an attack on my character, therefore it is an ad hom.

Herp derp derp herp derp I'm too ret*d to comprehend basic English.

Nice composition fallacy. Last time I checked, kidneys do not develop into babies. It's a sh***y analogy anyways. Adoption would be a much more fitting example. I've never heard of anyone paying the biological mother and father child support for a baby that was adopted to them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_feminism
Ok so since radical feminism pertains to gender roles beyond the scale of legality or class, it assumes that gender roles are exclusively enforced by men when that is not the case at all which is why I don't stand for it.



When you come up with a substantive argument that doesn't revolve around your being uncomfortable with consensual female sex, let us know.[/quote]Nice, even more false motives and smearing. Please show me where I said I was uncomfortable with premarital sex. You even proved me right about perpetuating war of the sexes by calling it "consensual female sex". It takes two to tango. I love how you always emphasize the female as if it isn't a mutual affair.

It's perfectly relevant when you are perpetuating gender warfare by calling anyone that disagrees with you someone that hates children, women, and anyone who isn't "elite". How can you help the cause if you smear dissenting views by attributing false motives? Things like this are the pin pricks that lead to people finding feminism less credible and fighting the fire of historical oppression with more fire.

Women who have consensual sex huh? It takes two people to have sex. And nowhere did I say I was against premarital sex or contraception. Statistically, most unwanted pregnancies occur cuz of either improper use of contraceptives or the lack of. It's only fitting that I would be for encouraging the use of contraceptives.

More like the difference is that abortion does not pertain to directly preventing or treating illness, unless we're talking about the risk of the mother risking death from pregnancy which is an exception I make to allow an abortion.

I haven't quite decided on whether public or private health care is the way to go, but unwanted pregnancy is a predicament both people involved brought on themselves so they shouldn't expect anyone else to cover their avoidable costs. I stand for a couple things:

-Personal responsibility. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. If you bring something on yourself, don't expect others to cover the costs and consequences.
-Impulse control. The long run is much more worth considering than the short sprint.
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Great, another one of your smears. Have you come up with an ethical school of thought that doesn't involve attributing malice to those who disagree with you? My ethics involve not having an entitlement complex that expects everyone else to cover my own expenses which I brought on myself.

More like you call me a male policer of the female sex cuz you are self righteous, condescending, and quick to smear anyone who disagrees with you. You also think one issue pertains to the entirety of woman's rights when it only pertains to a part of it and is arguably a mutual affair. This is exactly what motivates loaded language like anti-abortion = anti-women. Also, if the vast majority of the poor possesses things like these:

Then what makes abortion so unaffordable for em? And why couldn't they turn to private charity to cover the costs?

Cool, but it wasn't the first one.

Bunker busting bombs and oil kinda have undertones. Or so I'd think...

30% of abused children will grow up to abuse their own kids, which means 70% of em don't[1]. Makes sense since knowing what it's like to be on the receiving end of abuse means there's an incentive suffer the same way they did. Abuse can exacerbate things like drug and alcohol abuse as well as make someone touchier, but it won't necessarily make people more inconsiderate of others since that is more of a matter of temperament. Also 32% of children born into poverty remain poor in adulthood which means 68% don't[2]. There is a whole lot of things to attribute to these statistics, and it is a very complex and dynamic thing which is why I said we aren't predictable products of our environments.

[1] http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics
[2] http://alabamapossible.org/2010/07/32-o ... adulthood/

A lot of pro-lifers make exceptions to rape and the mother risking death from the pregnancy, but anyways adoption is an option.

Oh I see, so the world revolves around you and some people are more entitled to their opinions than others. Freedom of speech applies to everyone, so go stick your fingers in your ears and cry in a corner somewhere if you want us to stfu so badly. That's a lot more realistic than trying to silence dissension.

And? That's what happens after an abortion so association =/= equation.

So composition fallacies are supposed to be some objective definition of what a human being is? I don't see why the burden of proof lies on me when the pro-choice arguments I've seen are either composition fallacies or are about sentience at a particular moment which can easily apply to people in comas. Face it, it is arbitrary either way.

It isn't easy, but it's a lot easier than parenthood.