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06 Aug 2011, 6:37 pm

A catalyst is needed to start the inferno. What and when it will be, no one knows. But inexorably, the self image that Americans have of themselves is being fatally damaged. The downgrade by S&P of U.S. sovereign credit worthiness is just the latest cut in a painful readjustment process. When the effects of the recently passed Federal Budget are felt next year, it will deepen the sting many Americans already feel. Maybe then the riots will begin. Just in time for the 2012 elections.



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07 Aug 2011, 10:29 am

Some good points made in this video....

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07 Aug 2011, 11:42 am

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A catalyst is needed to start the inferno. What and when it will be, no one knows. But inexorably, the self image that Americans have of themselves is being fatally damaged. The downgrade by S&P of U.S. sovereign credit worthiness is just the latest cut in a painful readjustment process. When the effects of the recently passed Federal Budget are felt next year, it will deepen the sting many Americans already feel. Maybe then the riots will begin. Just in time for the 2012 elections.


Hush. The sky is not falling.

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07 Aug 2011, 12:01 pm

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A catalyst is needed to start the inferno. What and when it will be, no one knows. But inexorably, the self image that Americans have of themselves is being fatally damaged. The downgrade by S&P of U.S. sovereign credit worthiness is just the latest cut in a painful readjustment process. When the effects of the recently passed Federal Budget are felt next year, it will deepen the sting many Americans already feel. Maybe then the riots will begin. Just in time for the 2012 elections.


Hush. The sky is not falling.

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It might not fall from the above issues but it could very well, in effect, fall for any one of several reasons.
When it does it's going to fall hard.
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08 Aug 2011, 8:57 am

There seems to be unwillingness by American media to cover the London riots. It is not the first time that the British have rioted this year over poor economic conditions, but this time it was accompanied by savage violence and wholesale looting. The fact that scores of London police officers were injured so badly that they needed to be hospitalized ought to be prime time news, but perhaps the powers that be deem that too much coverage of such mayhem might just inspire the wrong sort of people to do the same in America. It is only a matter of time and nothing can be done to stop the catastrophe from happening.



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08 Aug 2011, 10:54 pm

Perhaps the most important lesson to be learnt from the London riots which have been going on for the last three days is that the police simply cannot cope with mass events of this scale. If enough outbreaks occur, then the overwhelmed police will be forced to choose where and when they make a stand. Unless you live in what the authorities regard as high value areas, you are on your own. If the same thing happens in America, and I believe that it will, it will not be gangs of youths with sticks and stones rampaging down the street, but a structured and experienced militia with powerful weapons that kill. Even if the military, overstretched as it is with multiple commitments overseas, were to be called in, there is little they can do unless lethal force is authorized against citizens. And killing your own citizens on a mass scale is perhaps the fastest way to lose legitimacy and spark the bonfire that burns down the foundation of the state.

Buy a gun and learn how to use it. I recommend the AK-47 for reasons that I have already stated. Under the circumstances, it pays to be prepared.



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09 Aug 2011, 12:29 am

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Perhaps the most important lesson to be learnt from the London riots which have been going on for the last three days is that the police simply cannot cope with mass events of this scale. If enough outbreaks occur, then the overwhelmed police will be forced to choose where and when they make a stand. Unless you live in what the authorities regard as high value areas, you are on your own. If the same thing happens in America, and I believe that it will, it will not be gangs of youths with sticks and stones rampaging down the street, but a structured and experienced militia with powerful weapons that kill. Even if the military, overstretched as it is with multiple commitments overseas, were to be called in, there is little they can do unless lethal force is authorized against citizens. And killing your own citizens on a mass scale is perhaps the fastest way to lose legitimacy and spark the bonfire that burns down the foundation of the state.

Buy a gun and learn how to use it. I recommend the AK-47 for reasons that I have already stated. Under the circumstances, it pays to be prepared.


Nah. It seems most right-wingers who are more likely to own guns are going to welcome rather than angrily riot about an impending economic collapse. Right-wing Americans seem to like suffering and injustice. It gives them a massive Ayn Rand hard-on. Austerity is just punishment for the countries failure to live within it's means. Never mind the fact that it's primarily the poorest and weakest who get f****d over the hardest as punishment for the over-indulgence of the middle and upper classes. Anyways, the bottom line is right-wing Americans are too stupid and soulless to consider the idea of armed insurrection. It's more likely they'll go on a rampage killing Mexicans and inner-city blacks who they scapegoat for all their problems. Right-wingers have a big hard-on for victim blaming.



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09 Aug 2011, 2:18 am

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Austerity is just punishment for the countries failure to live within it's means. Never mind the fact that it's primarily the poorest and weakest who get f**** over the hardest as punishment for the over-indulgence of the middle and upper classes.

Question: Did you ever play chutes and ladders as a kid?


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09 Aug 2011, 9:34 am

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Nah. It seems most right-wingers who are more likely to own guns are going to welcome rather than angrily riot about an impending economic collapse. Right-wing Americans seem to like suffering and injustice. It gives them a massive Ayn Rand hard-on. Austerity is just punishment for the countries failure to live within it's means. Never mind the fact that it's primarily the poorest and weakest who get f**** over the hardest as punishment for the over-indulgence of the middle and upper classes. Anyways, the bottom line is right-wing Americans are too stupid and soulless to consider the idea of armed insurrection. It's more likely they'll go on a rampage killing Mexicans and inner-city blacks who they scapegoat for all their problems. Right-wingers have a big hard-on for victim blaming.

The militia I speak of do not refer to the groups of middle aged white men with moustaches who like to wear plaid shirts and perform paramilitary exercises on the weekends. I am talking about hardcore Black, Latino and White Supremacist gangbangers variously known as the Bloods, Crips, MS13 and Aryan Brotherhood to name a few. Total gang membership in the United States easily number in the hundreds of thousands and it could stretch upwards into the millions. These people know how to use weapons and they understand how to function as a unit. They also possess a deep seated hatred for practically everyone. So mass riots that let them run amok is just what they are looking for.

But it is not just gangbangers that threaten peace and security in America. There are today tens of millions of unemployed or marginally employed American youths who are itching for a go. Their frustrations are piling up and it will not take much to ignite their rage. When you have no job, no prospect for a better life, no self respect, no hope, the consequences of violent criminality just do not seem real. At some point the only thing that matters is your own pain and anger. Everyone else and everything else become like cartoon caricatures for you vent at. It appears that the riots in London and elsewhere in the UK are happening because the disaffected feel that they have nothing and thus have nothing to lose.



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09 Aug 2011, 10:57 am

Yes, I do feel there must be more cause behind the English rioting than one man being shot.
It seemed to make sense the first night, as the rioting happened in the area where the shooting took place.
But now, with riots starting in other towns, I feel there must be more fueling these people than we are being told.



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09 Aug 2011, 10:58 am

John_Browning wrote:
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Austerity is just punishment for the countries failure to live within it's means. Never mind the fact that it's primarily the poorest and weakest who get f**** over the hardest as punishment for the over-indulgence of the middle and upper classes.

Question: Did you ever play chutes and ladders as a kid?

Your point?



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09 Aug 2011, 1:59 pm

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When are these damn riots beginning? These threads keep teasing me with the possibility, then nothing happens. Is there like an RSVP for these things, is it impolite to bring my own molotov cocktails, I means what's the etiquette here?


posted moments before violence blossomed over london.

this is all your fault!! :evil:

you jinxed us! :lol:



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09 Aug 2011, 10:25 pm

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Perhaps the most important lesson to be learnt from the London riots which have been going on for the last three days is that the police simply cannot cope with mass events of this scale. If enough outbreaks occur, then the overwhelmed police will be forced to choose where and when they make a stand. Unless you live in what the authorities regard as high value areas, you are on your own. If the same thing happens in America, and I believe that it will, it will not be gangs of youths with sticks and stones rampaging down the street, but a structured and experienced militia with powerful weapons that kill. Even if the military, overstretched as it is with multiple commitments overseas, were to be called in, there is little they can do unless lethal force is authorized against citizens. And killing your own citizens on a mass scale is perhaps the fastest way to lose legitimacy and spark the bonfire that burns down the foundation of the state.

Buy a gun and learn how to use it. I recommend the AK-47 for reasons that I have already stated. Under the circumstances, it pays to be prepared.


Nah. It seems most right-wingers who are more likely to own guns are going to welcome rather than angrily riot about an impending economic collapse. Right-wing Americans seem to like suffering and injustice. It gives them a massive Ayn Rand hard-on. Austerity is just punishment for the countries failure to live within it's means. Never mind the fact that it's primarily the poorest and weakest who get f**** over the hardest as punishment for the over-indulgence of the middle and upper classes. Anyways, the bottom line is right-wing Americans are too stupid and soulless to consider the idea of armed insurrection. It's more likely they'll go on a rampage killing Mexicans and inner-city blacks who they scapegoat for all their problems. Right-wingers have a big hard-on for victim blaming.


I don't have time right now to pick apart you're entire post just now but just for the sake of argument could you give examples of this enjoyment of suffering and injustice?
Preferably something contemporary and rational.



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10 Aug 2011, 1:08 am

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Perhaps the most important lesson to be learnt from the London riots which have been going on for the last three days is that the police simply cannot cope with mass events of this scale. If enough outbreaks occur, then the overwhelmed police will be forced to choose where and when they make a stand. Unless you live in what the authorities regard as high value areas, you are on your own. If the same thing happens in America, and I believe that it will, it will not be gangs of youths with sticks and stones rampaging down the street, but a structured and experienced militia with powerful weapons that kill. Even if the military, overstretched as it is with multiple commitments overseas, were to be called in, there is little they can do unless lethal force is authorized against citizens. And killing your own citizens on a mass scale is perhaps the fastest way to lose legitimacy and spark the bonfire that burns down the foundation of the state.

Buy a gun and learn how to use it. I recommend the AK-47 for reasons that I have already stated. Under the circumstances, it pays to be prepared.


Nah. It seems most right-wingers who are more likely to own guns are going to welcome rather than angrily riot about an impending economic collapse. Right-wing Americans seem to like suffering and injustice. It gives them a massive Ayn Rand hard-on. Austerity is just punishment for the countries failure to live within it's means. Never mind the fact that it's primarily the poorest and weakest who get f**** over the hardest as punishment for the over-indulgence of the middle and upper classes. Anyways, the bottom line is right-wing Americans are too stupid and soulless to consider the idea of armed insurrection. It's more likely they'll go on a rampage killing Mexicans and inner-city blacks who they scapegoat for all their problems. Right-wingers have a big hard-on for victim blaming.


I don't have time right now to pick apart you're entire post just now but just for the sake of argument could you give examples of this enjoyment of suffering and injustice?
Preferably something contemporary and rational.

Conservatives see order and parsimony as a greater moral imperative than justice/fairness or the prevention of harm/suffering. This is why conservatives are so much more concerned with balanced budgets, "simplifying" or shrinking government programs, etc..., even at the expense of the downtrodden who might be up s**t creek without a paddle for no fault of their own. It's all about order, numbers, balance. Real people are only of secondary concern.

Okay, maybe conservatives don't get enjoyment out of suffering and injustice. It's more like conservatives simply have a massive blind spot. They don't see it, and when they do see it they find a way to blame the victim. Misfortune only happens to "irresponsible" people in the conservative mindset. :wall:



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10 Aug 2011, 1:53 am

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posted moments before violence blossomed over london.

this is all your fault!! :evil:

you jinxed us! :lol:


You can count on me to never even think about abusing this power...

Now when are these riots in America scheduled for? Especially the ones in Chicago, NYC, DC, and perhaps SF; I'd hate to miss out because I forgot to RSVP or something.


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marshall wrote:
Zeno wrote:
Perhaps the most important lesson to be learnt from the London riots which have been going on for the last three days is that the police simply cannot cope with mass events of this scale. If enough outbreaks occur, then the overwhelmed police will be forced to choose where and when they make a stand. Unless you live in what the authorities regard as high value areas, you are on your own. If the same thing happens in America, and I believe that it will, it will not be gangs of youths with sticks and stones rampaging down the street, but a structured and experienced militia with powerful weapons that kill. Even if the military, overstretched as it is with multiple commitments overseas, were to be called in, there is little they can do unless lethal force is authorized against citizens. And killing your own citizens on a mass scale is perhaps the fastest way to lose legitimacy and spark the bonfire that burns down the foundation of the state.

Buy a gun and learn how to use it. I recommend the AK-47 for reasons that I have already stated. Under the circumstances, it pays to be prepared.


Nah. It seems most right-wingers who are more likely to own guns are going to welcome rather than angrily riot about an impending economic collapse. Right-wing Americans seem to like suffering and injustice. It gives them a massive Ayn Rand hard-on. Austerity is just punishment for the countries failure to live within it's means. Never mind the fact that it's primarily the poorest and weakest who get f**** over the hardest as punishment for the over-indulgence of the middle and upper classes. Anyways, the bottom line is right-wing Americans are too stupid and soulless to consider the idea of armed insurrection. It's more likely they'll go on a rampage killing Mexicans and inner-city blacks who they scapegoat for all their problems. Right-wingers have a big hard-on for victim blaming.


I don't have time right now to pick apart you're entire post just now but just for the sake of argument could you give examples of this enjoyment of suffering and injustice?
Preferably something contemporary and rational.

Conservatives see order and parsimony as a greater moral imperative than justice/fairness or the prevention of harm/suffering. This is why conservatives are so much more concerned with balanced budgets, "simplifying" or shrinking government programs, etc..., even at the expense of the downtrodden who might be up sh** creek without a paddle for no fault of their own. It's all about order, numbers, balance. Real people are only of secondary concern.

Okay, maybe conservatives don't get enjoyment out of suffering and injustice. It's more like conservatives simply have a massive blind spot. They don't see it, and when they do see it they find a way to blame the victim. Misfortune only happens to "irresponsible" people in the conservative mindset. :wall:


We are against large government and have problems with entitlement programs for the simple reason that we think these entitlement programs does nothing more than make people dependent on Government.