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20 Jul 2011, 2:13 pm

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Murdoch just got through his Parliament hearing largely unscathed.
Well, he (and Murdoch minor) presented an act fairly poorly but I think enough damage will have been caused by the "I didn't know, guv - honest" thing and the laughable "He was dealing with that" thing from the other players.
The bigger issue is the whole arrangement with politicians, and the police with their appalling mishandling of the investigation.
They basically said "Nothing to see here; move along please" without even bothering to investigate in any depth until their arm was forced.


I don't know how many people actually bought his doddering old man act. Seriously, Murdoch is known as a ruthless, cut throat businessman, and there's no way he can keep that up while being in the throes of senility.

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20 Jul 2011, 4:55 pm

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Murdoch just got through his Parliament hearing largely unscathed.
Well, he (and Murdoch minor) presented an act fairly poorly but I think enough damage will have been caused by the "I didn't know, guv - honest" thing and the laughable "He was dealing with that" thing from the other players.
The bigger issue is the whole arrangement with politicians, and the police with their appalling mishandling of the investigation.
They basically said "Nothing to see here; move along please" without even bothering to investigate in any depth until their arm was forced.


I don't know how many people actually bought his doddering old man act. Seriously, Murdoch is known as a ruthless, cut throat businessman, and there's no way he can keep that up while being in the throes of senility.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Ever stop and consider that this phone hacking thing may be something that he draws the line at and is honestly disgusted by it. Just because someone is rich, doesn't mean they don't have a code of ethics. You saw the number of companies News Corp has stock in, it is not far-fetched to believe that one small company ended up doing this behind Murdoch's back, and he honestly had no idea this was going on.

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But there's been enough concern about a possibility of 9/11 victims families' phones being hacked for the FBI to open an investigation.
I hope they make a better job of it than our boys in blue did, and I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they uncover a similar can of worms as was found here.


In the case of our DoJ, it wouldn't suprise me if they end up fabricating evidence. Eric Holder's DoJ has a history of corruption that is probably the most corrupt DoJ at least in my lifetime and probably Nixon's team was more honest than the clowns currently in the DoJ.



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20 Jul 2011, 5:03 pm

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Ever stop and consider that this phone hacking thing may be something that he draws the line at and is honestly disgusted by it.
Of course I did - and my answer is still "unlikely" and "unlikely".


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20 Jul 2011, 5:13 pm

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Ever stop and consider that this phone hacking thing may be something that he draws the line at and is honestly disgusted by it.
Of course I did - and my answer is still "unlikely" and "unlikely".


Then why is it that the people front and center of all of this centers on this one particular magazine? If it was really that wide spread as you are saying, it probably would have came out long before now.



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20 Jul 2011, 5:33 pm

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Ever stop and consider that this phone hacking thing may be something that he draws the line at and is honestly disgusted by it.
Of course I did - and my answer is still "unlikely" and "unlikely".
Then why is it that the people front and center of all of this centers on this one particular magazine? If it was really that wide spread as you are saying, it probably would have came out long before now.
Did I say it was widespread? I rather thought that's what the people who are now caught up with it (as victims, perpetrators, or people working within the industry) were claiming - all a far cry from News International's dismissal of it as being a one-off caused by one rogue reporter. When a sack of s**t splits open, the tear has to start somewhere.
And as I said earlier, the murky goings-on between Murdoch and the police/politicians is a bigger issue than tapping into private phone messages - and that little investigative game has barely got started yet.


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20 Jul 2011, 5:39 pm

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Ever stop and consider that this phone hacking thing may be something that he draws the line at and is honestly disgusted by it.
Of course I did - and my answer is still "unlikely" and "unlikely".
Then why is it that the people front and center of all of this centers on this one particular magazine? If it was really that wide spread as you are saying, it probably would have came out long before now.
Did I say it was widespread? I rather thought that's what the people who are now caught up with it (as victims, perpetrators, or people working within the industry) were claiming - all a far cry from News International's dismissal of it as being a one-off caused by one rogue reporter. When a sack of sh** splits open, the tear has to start somewhere.
And as I said earlier, the murky goings-on between Murdoch and the police/politicians is a bigger issue than tapping into private phone messages - and that little investigative game has barely got started yet.


Given the level of hatred other media outlets have shown toward News Corp, did you stop to consider the fact that they would want to blow the story out of proportion to try to discredit/eliminate those they hated?



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20 Jul 2011, 5:44 pm

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Given the level of hatred other media outlets have shown toward News Corp, did you stop to consider the fact that they would want to blow the story out of proportion to try to discredit/eliminate those they hated?


You mean like the way that the Juan Williams kerfuffle was blown way out of proportion by every NewsCorp outlet?



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20 Jul 2011, 5:54 pm

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Given the level of hatred other media outlets have shown toward News Corp, did you stop to consider the fact that they would want to blow the story out of proportion to try to discredit/eliminate those they hated?
What "level of hatred" would that be - care to point some out, in relation to this issue?
The Guardian first broke this story, several years ago and based on sound evidence, and they've been uncovering more and more of it ever since.
The proportions are evidently sound enough to warrant several serious investigations - and not just into News International. Some people are already in prison because of their involvement in the phone hacks, and I fully expect more to join them - either for related culpability, or because of the bigger issues.
Also, most of the broadcasters/newspapers owned by Murdoch didn't report any of it until there was really no avoiding the issue. Funny, that.


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20 Jul 2011, 6:00 pm

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Given the level of hatred other media outlets have shown toward News Corp, did you stop to consider the fact that they would want to blow the story out of proportion to try to discredit/eliminate those they hated?


You mean like the way that the Juan Williams kerfuffle was blown way out of proportion by every NewsCorp outlet?


Actually, it wasn't blown out of proportion, there is ample evidence of a blatent double standard at NPR, plus his former boss kinda broke the law when she commented about his firing, particularly the psychiatrist line.

Or is it okay in your view to publicly wish someone's grandkids get HIV, because you don't like that individual, but not okay to admit that when you see someone in Muslim garb get on a plane you get nervous and that we as a people need to rise above those feelings?



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20 Jul 2011, 6:07 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
Murdoch just got through his Parliament hearing largely unscathed.
Well, he (and Murdoch minor) presented an act fairly poorly but I think enough damage will have been caused by the "I didn't know, guv - honest" thing and the laughable "He was dealing with that" thing from the other players.
The bigger issue is the whole arrangement with politicians, and the police with their appalling mishandling of the investigation.
They basically said "Nothing to see here; move along please" without even bothering to investigate in any depth until their arm was forced.


I don't know how many people actually bought his doddering old man act. Seriously, Murdoch is known as a ruthless, cut throat businessman, and there's no way he can keep that up while being in the throes of senility.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Ever stop and consider that this phone hacking thing may be something that he draws the line at and is honestly disgusted by it. Just because someone is rich, doesn't mean they don't have a code of ethics. You saw the number of companies News Corp has stock in, it is not far-fetched to believe that one small company ended up doing this behind Murdoch's back, and he honestly had no idea this was going on.

Cornflake wrote:
But there's been enough concern about a possibility of 9/11 victims families' phones being hacked for the FBI to open an investigation.
I hope they make a better job of it than our boys in blue did, and I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they uncover a similar can of worms as was found here.


In the case of our DoJ, it wouldn't suprise me if they end up fabricating evidence. Eric Holder's DoJ has a history of corruption that is probably the most corrupt DoJ at least in my lifetime and probably Nixon's team was more honest than the clowns currently in the DoJ.


Aw, Rupert got his hand caught in the cookie jar, and he just wants to look contrite. Like I said, this man is cut throat ruthless. It's hard for me to imagine him as being sorry for this - - like Soros allegedly wasn't sorry for tagging along with the Nazis in order to survive.

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20 Jul 2011, 6:11 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
Murdoch just got through his Parliament hearing largely unscathed.
Well, he (and Murdoch minor) presented an act fairly poorly but I think enough damage will have been caused by the "I didn't know, guv - honest" thing and the laughable "He was dealing with that" thing from the other players.
The bigger issue is the whole arrangement with politicians, and the police with their appalling mishandling of the investigation.
They basically said "Nothing to see here; move along please" without even bothering to investigate in any depth until their arm was forced.


I don't know how many people actually bought his doddering old man act. Seriously, Murdoch is known as a ruthless, cut throat businessman, and there's no way he can keep that up while being in the throes of senility.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Ever stop and consider that this phone hacking thing may be something that he draws the line at and is honestly disgusted by it. Just because someone is rich, doesn't mean they don't have a code of ethics. You saw the number of companies News Corp has stock in, it is not far-fetched to believe that one small company ended up doing this behind Murdoch's back, and he honestly had no idea this was going on.

Cornflake wrote:
But there's been enough concern about a possibility of 9/11 victims families' phones being hacked for the FBI to open an investigation.
I hope they make a better job of it than our boys in blue did, and I wouldn't be in the least surprised if they uncover a similar can of worms as was found here.


In the case of our DoJ, it wouldn't suprise me if they end up fabricating evidence. Eric Holder's DoJ has a history of corruption that is probably the most corrupt DoJ at least in my lifetime and probably Nixon's team was more honest than the clowns currently in the DoJ.


Aw, Rupert got his hand caught in the cookie jar, and he just wants to look contrite. Like I said, this man is cut throat ruthless. It's hard for me to imagine him as being sorry for this - - like Soros allegedly wasn't sorry for tagging along with the Nazis in order to survive.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You do realize George Soros actually said he didn't feel bad about it in a television interview with ABC News, it wasn't something Glenn Beck made up, it was what George Soros said in his own words...



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20 Jul 2011, 6:23 pm

Well that'll leave a huge market for MSNBC and CNN, so CNN would probably drift between Center-right and Center (and thus dubbed the fascist network) and MSNBC would most likely also move to the middle between its current position and the American political middle. Or a new network would rise to fill the void. Currently, conservatives dominate political news in television, and radio - they own the market for political radio talk shows, Fox draws more viewers then MSNBC and CNN combined, and I wouldn't be surprised if they owned print media considering The WSJ is the most read newspaper in the country - and the circulation of National Review and The Weekly Standard isn't that great but not too bad either.

It's too large a market to be ignored so no one is really worried that there will no longer be a conservative outlet on television... the worry is over who capitalizes on the void that Fox News leaves behind first, and how they remake the order of things.


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20 Jul 2011, 7:01 pm

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Well that'll leave a huge market for MSNBC and CNN, so CNN would probably drift between Center-right and Center (and thus dubbed the fascist network) and MSNBC would most likely also move to the middle between its current position and the American political middle. Or a new network would rise to fill the void. Currently, conservatives dominate political news in television, and radio - they own the market for political radio talk shows, Fox draws more viewers then MSNBC and CNN combined, and I wouldn't be surprised if they owned print media considering The WSJ is the most read newspaper in the country - and the circulation of National Review and The Weekly Standard isn't that great but not too bad either.

It's too large a market to be ignored so no one is really worried that there will no longer be a conservative outlet on television... the worry is over who capitalizes on the void that Fox News leaves behind first, and how they remake the order of things.


Doubtful, MSNBC and CNN will shift even further left and the left wing media will be celebrating that they have a monopoly on television news. CNN and MSNBC are driven purely by ideaology now, even at the cost of profits.

More likely, Glenn Beck would probably purchase Fox News from News Corp and which would cause a lot of liberals to go bananas.



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20 Jul 2011, 7:04 pm

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More likely, Glenn Beck would probably purchase Fox News from News Corp
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20 Jul 2011, 7:50 pm

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Well that'll leave a huge market for MSNBC and CNN, so CNN would probably drift between Center-right and Center (and thus dubbed the fascist network) and MSNBC would most likely also move to the middle between its current position and the American political middle. Or a new network would rise to fill the void. Currently, conservatives dominate political news in television, and radio - they own the market for political radio talk shows, Fox draws more viewers then MSNBC and CNN combined, and I wouldn't be surprised if they owned print media considering The WSJ is the most read newspaper in the country - and the circulation of National Review and The Weekly Standard isn't that great but not too bad either.

It's too large a market to be ignored so no one is really worried that there will no longer be a conservative outlet on television... the worry is over who capitalizes on the void that Fox News leaves behind first, and how they remake the order of things.


Doubtful, MSNBC and CNN will shift even further left and the left wing media will be celebrating that they have a monopoly on television news. CNN and MSNBC are driven purely by ideaology now, even at the cost of profits.

More likely, Glenn Beck would probably purchase Fox News from News Corp and which would cause a lot of liberals to go bananas.



yes, and then we'd actually have a problem on our hands.

Inuyasha, this is all about money and viewer ratings. By definition, the more visual MSNBC and CNN are not as ideological as print-media journalism like The Nation and National Review because they are here to visually entertain. The largest target demographic for news would go unserviced and therefore loose a huge potential make a fortune of money just for the sake of smart-growth sustainable cities, a non-smoking gluten and dairy free society, 40%+ tax rates on the wealthy, gay marriage, and global warming? Highly unlikely.


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20 Jul 2011, 9:19 pm

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Well that'll leave a huge market for MSNBC and CNN, so CNN would probably drift between Center-right and Center (and thus dubbed the fascist network) and MSNBC would most likely also move to the middle between its current position and the American political middle. Or a new network would rise to fill the void. Currently, conservatives dominate political news in television, and radio - they own the market for political radio talk shows, Fox draws more viewers then MSNBC and CNN combined, and I wouldn't be surprised if they owned print media considering The WSJ is the most read newspaper in the country - and the circulation of National Review and The Weekly Standard isn't that great but not too bad either.

It's too large a market to be ignored so no one is really worried that there will no longer be a conservative outlet on television... the worry is over who capitalizes on the void that Fox News leaves behind first, and how they remake the order of things.[/quot

Doubtful, MSNBC and CNN will shift even further left and the left wing media will be celebrating that they have a monopoly on television news. CNN and MSNBC are driven purely by ideaology now, even at the cost of profits.

More likely, Glenn Beck would probably purchase Fox News from News Corp and which would cause a lot of liberals to go bananas.


While MSNBC is more left leaning, but to accuse CNN of being driven by leftist ideology... Really?
And to accuse those two news networks of being driven by leftist ideology, in defense of the ideologically right wing Fox is truly the pot calling the kettle black.

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