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29 Jul 2011, 11:05 am

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On a related note I find it just as bad or worse when historical culture artifacts is destroyed in a war (such as destruction of national librarys, ancient temples etc), as when people are killed in war, because destroying evidences history not only hurt the people of a few generations but every generation later. (I wonder if these value judgements are common, or if this is an aspie/non-neurotypical, thing?)


Wow very good point! I mean, what do we mourn more now - the murders of Genghis Khan, or the destruction of the Library of Alexandria?



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29 Jul 2011, 11:24 am

donnie_darko wrote:
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On a related note I find it just as bad or worse when historical culture artifacts is destroyed in a war (such as destruction of national librarys, ancient temples etc), as when people are killed in war, because destroying evidences history not only hurt the people of a few generations but every generation later. (I wonder if these value judgements are common, or if this is an aspie/non-neurotypical, thing?)


Wow very good point! I mean, what do we mourn more now - the murders of Genghis Khan, or the destruction of the Library of Alexandria?


My insufferable [well, not literally, I did suffer her] landlady in London. Not I think Aspie, but not right either - the closest parallel I have met is known to have about 2/3 of her skull empty of brain.

The landlady told me [soin of two Classicists and might have been archaeologist that I am] that places like Westminster Abbey should be torn down because they are just old and shabby and outmoded and who needs thyem?



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29 Jul 2011, 11:27 am

Philologos wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
qvasi wrote:
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On a related note I find it just as bad or worse when historical culture artifacts is destroyed in a war (such as destruction of national librarys, ancient temples etc), as when people are killed in war, because destroying evidences history not only hurt the people of a few generations but every generation later. (I wonder if these value judgements are common, or if this is an aspie/non-neurotypical, thing?)


Wow very good point! I mean, what do we mourn more now - the murders of Genghis Khan, or the destruction of the Library of Alexandria?


My insufferable [well, not literally, I did suffer her] landlady in London. Not I think Aspie, but not right either - the closest parallel I have met is known to have about 2/3 of her skull empty of brain.

The landlady told me [soin of two Classicists and might have been archaeologist that I am] that places like Westminster Abbey should be torn down because they are just old and shabby and outmoded and who needs thyem?


I feel like destroying ancient architecture is tantamount to murdering history.



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29 Jul 2011, 11:39 am

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I don't see it as a mental illness. I see it as a moral illness.


Expatiate, please. What is it to have a moral illness? In the process please provide insight into your understanding of "moral".


When someone chooses to steal, kill, or otherwise injure others, it is rarely a medical condition. Sure, a small percent of criminals are legitimately insane and thus not responsible for their actions. But when a person has some capacity for empathy or compassion, when they have an understanding of right and wrong, but they turn those off to advance a political or economic agenda of theirs, that is generally an ethical issue, not something that can be equated with brain disease. Dehumanizing others is the prime cause of violence IMO.
Exactly. Another thing to keep in mind though is that they also tend to be pathologically selfish as well as have the emotional maturity of a 2 year old, which is what even allows them to shut their conscience off and/or rationalize their actions in the first place.



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29 Jul 2011, 12:32 pm

Do you think people are loth to say evil is caused by mental illness because they are afraid if it's true they can't justly get revenge on evil-doers?