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21 Sep 2011, 11:21 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Some people think that North Korea is a Marxist dictatorship. Originally North Korea mentioned Karl Marx in it's constitution but it now has no mention of Karl Marx or Marxism in its constitution. If your country has no mention of Karl Marx or Marxism in its constitution then it isn't Marxist says I.
Some people think that North Korea is left-wing but North Korea promotes racism and tells its citizens to prepare for war. If your country is racist and obsessed with war then it isn't left-wing says I.
Some people think that North Korea is left-wing but North Korea promotes racism and tells its citizens to prepare for war. If your country is racist and obsessed with war then it isn't left-wing says I.
Yet another manifestation of the "No True Scotsman ..." fallacy.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
ruveyn
Back to topic, North Korea is the result of the Far Left style of governing.
Liberals push for Government to control everything, that businesses and rich people are evil personified, etc.
That kinda fits North Korea's governing style.
The right taken to extremes will result in something as equally ugly. What do you think you'd get if you make the poor and social programs the personification of evil? And as a matter of fact, with the right calling the current culture war a fight between "the producers and the moochers," and basing social policy on that notion, we're halfway there already.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Could it be that your idea of "poor and social programs" and our idea of them is different.
We'd rather offer help in the form of employment and/or job training while the left's idea is perpetual welfare even to those able to work.
I guess I see the benefit of more people on the dole, though. The more of them there are the more democratic votes.
Kinda makes sense if you look at it that way.
Since in North Korea, being a communist country, the government is the controller and provider it looks like we’re back to it being leftist…..
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21 Sep 2011, 11:53 am
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Some people think that North Korea is a Marxist dictatorship. Originally North Korea mentioned Karl Marx in it's constitution but it now has no mention of Karl Marx or Marxism in its constitution. If your country has no mention of Karl Marx or Marxism in its constitution then it isn't Marxist says I.
Some people think that North Korea is left-wing but North Korea promotes racism and tells its citizens to prepare for war. If your country is racist and obsessed with war then it isn't left-wing says I.
Some people think that North Korea is left-wing but North Korea promotes racism and tells its citizens to prepare for war. If your country is racist and obsessed with war then it isn't left-wing says I.
Yet another manifestation of the "No True Scotsman ..." fallacy.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
ruveyn
Back to topic, North Korea is the result of the Far Left style of governing.
Liberals push for Government to control everything, that businesses and rich people are evil personified, etc.
That kinda fits North Korea's governing style.
The right taken to extremes will result in something as equally ugly. What do you think you'd get if you make the poor and social programs the personification of evil? And as a matter of fact, with the right calling the current culture war a fight between "the producers and the moochers," and basing social policy on that notion, we're halfway there already.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Could it be that your idea of "poor and social programs" and our idea of them is different.
We'd rather offer help in the form of employment and/or job training while the left's idea is perpetual welfare even to those able to work.
I guess I see the benefit of more people on the dole, though. The more of them there are the more democratic votes.
Kinda makes sense if you look at it that way.
Since in North Korea, being a communist country, the government is the controller and provider it looks like we’re back to it being leftist…..
That job training is among the programs the right wants to cut.
And where are the jobs that are supposed to liberate poor Americans? Oh, yeah, they're being sent over to China and India by politically conservative businessmen.
And name one instance where the left in this country has control over poor people.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
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21 Sep 2011, 5:30 pm
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How about my Union buddies wanting to be able to live the American dream, with proper wages and benefits?
Do you have any idea how hard it is to get rid of some slacker under union protection? I’ve seen a union employee tell his manager (more like scream) to shove a good paying job up his ass then walk out only to have the union sue to take him back EVEN THOUGH HE QUIT. I could go on and on about this. Shall I?
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Draconian environmental laws? Well, I guess I'm just a p**** who needs to breath clean air and drink clean water in order to live. Plus, I'd like to have forests and animal life left over for my little daughter to enjoy.
Right now what we need are jobs. In this century we can compromise and have some of both but we will never be “green” and prosperous at the same time.
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And when have poor people in this country have ever been controlled by fear by liberals? If anything, it's fear of conservatives cutting benefits that poor people have.
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Control through welfare? Really? It's a known fact that many of the most conservative people can be the poorest.
The poor can be principled, too.
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Control through leftist public education? You righties really are going over the deep end with your fear of free eduction for everyone.
Less social s**t and more science, math, and history. REAL history, not that revisionist feel good BS. We need technology and industry, not a big commune of false love and diversity.
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Racism? When have the people behind civil rights (liberals) resorted to oppressing anyone on racial grounds? Unless your one of those nuts who think whites are being discriminated against because others are given rights.
Welfare IS suppression. See my post on the other thread. Same goes for the other question about them a few histerical questions up...
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Now, lets here your counter rant..., er, I mean argument.
Happy now?
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21 Sep 2011, 7:30 pm
Raptor wrote:
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How about my Union buddies wanting to be able to live the American dream, with proper wages and benefits?
Do you have any idea how hard it is to get rid of some slacker under union protection? I’ve seen a union employee tell his manager (more like scream) to shove a good paying job up his ass then walk out only to have the union sue to take him back EVEN THOUGH HE QUIT. I could go on and on about this. Shall I?
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Draconian environmental laws? Well, I guess I'm just a p**** who needs to breath clean air and drink clean water in order to live. Plus, I'd like to have forests and animal life left over for my little daughter to enjoy.
Right now what we need are jobs. In this century we can compromise and have some of both but we will never be “green” and prosperous at the same time.
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And when have poor people in this country have ever been controlled by fear by liberals? If anything, it's fear of conservatives cutting benefits that poor people have.
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Control through welfare? Really? It's a known fact that many of the most conservative people can be the poorest.
The poor can be principled, too.
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Control through leftist public education? You righties really are going over the deep end with your fear of free eduction for everyone.
Less social sh** and more science, math, and history. REAL history, not that revisionist feel good BS. We need technology and industry, not a big commune of false love and diversity.
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Racism? When have the people behind civil rights (liberals) resorted to oppressing anyone on racial grounds? Unless your one of those nuts who think whites are being discriminated against because others are given rights.
Welfare IS suppression. See my post on the other thread. Same goes for the other question about them a few histerical questions up...
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Now, lets here your counter rant..., er, I mean argument.
Happy now?
My Dad had been a union grievance man, and it was his job to defend workers who had been badly treated either by management, or by other workers. I don't recall him ever demanding that a worker who had walked off the job be reinstated. And he and other union reps had let a pedophile who had molested another worker's child to be fired, rather than standing up for the sleaze bag. I can't believe that my Dad had been the only union guy with scruples.
And yes, we can be productive and green.
I agree, we should teach science, math, and English. Defunding public schools for tax cuts for the rich isn't going to make things any better. And yes, history should be taught in it's purity. If the left has been guilty of political correctness in the past, the right has been just as guilty by putting a conservative slant on things. Recent text books in Texas schools have made a case for the Confederate cause, even denying slavery was the cause of the Civil War. Another recent history book in another southern state's schools even told the outrageous lie that black slaves had served willingly with white Confederate troops. Talk about untruths in school text books.
As for welfare itself being racism - I suppose it's racism to feed and house desperately poor people.
Now excuse me, but my wife has been calling me to dinner for the last five minutes.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
21 Sep 2011, 7:36 pm
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