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01 Oct 2011, 3:43 pm
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Prince Turki al-Faisal, former director of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former Saudi ambassador to the United States
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Quote:
Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval,
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Quote:
Saudi Arabia recently played a leading role in isolating Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s brutal government
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
It will be very bad if we veto the bill 9/11 was ten years ago lets move on as a country we dont have a remmber the holocaust day or remmber the trial of tears day either so lets just move on besides they show the 9/11 video to make americans angry so they will continue to support the war we are in
01 Oct 2011, 8:44 pm
Joker wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Prince Turki al-Faisal, former director of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former Saudi ambassador to the United States
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Quote:
Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval,
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Quote:
Saudi Arabia recently played a leading role in isolating Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s brutal government
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
It will be very bad if we veto the bill 9/11 was ten years ago lets move on as a country we dont have a remmber the holocaust day or remmber the trial of tears day either so lets just move on besides they show the 9/11 video to make americans angry so they will continue to support the war we are in
If we do allow a Palestinian state they will immediately attack Israel anyways trying to push "the infidels" into the sea. Until the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist I don't think they should have their own country.
01 Oct 2011, 8:56 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Prince Turki al-Faisal, former director of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former Saudi ambassador to the United States
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Quote:
Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval,
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Quote:
Saudi Arabia recently played a leading role in isolating Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s brutal government
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
It will be very bad if we veto the bill 9/11 was ten years ago lets move on as a country we dont have a remmber the holocaust day or remmber the trial of tears day either so lets just move on besides they show the 9/11 video to make americans angry so they will continue to support the war we are in
If we do allow a Palestinian state they will immediately attack Israel anyways trying to push "the infidels" into the sea. Until the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist I don't think they should have their own country.
With what weapons?
in what way that they can't do now?
did you read what you wrote?
Does becoming a state mean the UN will buy them an army?
Have you thought this one through?
5 points per question due by tuesday.
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01 Oct 2011, 10:11 pm
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Prince Turki al-Faisal, former director of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former Saudi ambassador to the United States
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Quote:
Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval,
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Quote:
Saudi Arabia recently played a leading role in isolating Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s brutal government
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
It will be very bad if we veto the bill 9/11 was ten years ago lets move on as a country we dont have a remmber the holocaust day or remmber the trial of tears day either so lets just move on besides they show the 9/11 video to make americans angry so they will continue to support the war we are in
If we do allow a Palestinian state they will immediately attack Israel anyways trying to push "the infidels" into the sea. Until the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist I don't think they should have their own country.
With what weapons?
in what way that they can't do now?
did you read what you wrote?
Does becoming a state mean the UN will buy them an army?
Have you thought this one through?
5 points per question due by tuesday.
Thank you Jake I agree with this statement
01 Oct 2011, 10:16 pm
Joker wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Prince Turki al-Faisal, former director of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former Saudi ambassador to the United States
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Quote:
Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval,
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Quote:
Saudi Arabia recently played a leading role in isolating Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s brutal government
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
It will be very bad if we veto the bill 9/11 was ten years ago lets move on as a country we dont have a remmber the holocaust day or remmber the trial of tears day either so lets just move on besides they show the 9/11 video to make americans angry so they will continue to support the war we are in
If we do allow a Palestinian state they will immediately attack Israel anyways trying to push "the infidels" into the sea. Until the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist I don't think they should have their own country.
With what weapons?
in what way that they can't do now?
did you read what you wrote?
Does becoming a state mean the UN will buy them an army?
Have you thought this one through?
5 points per question due by tuesday.
Thank you Jake I agree with this statement
The weapons they tried to have smuggled in on that flotilla for starters. The reason Israel is blockading Gaza is prevent Hamas from getting more rockets.
01 Oct 2011, 10:19 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Prince Turki al-Faisal, former director of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former Saudi ambassador to the United States
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Quote:
Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval,
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Quote:
Saudi Arabia recently played a leading role in isolating Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s brutal government
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
It will be very bad if we veto the bill 9/11 was ten years ago lets move on as a country we dont have a remmber the holocaust day or remmber the trial of tears day either so lets just move on besides they show the 9/11 video to make americans angry so they will continue to support the war we are in
If we do allow a Palestinian state they will immediately attack Israel anyways trying to push "the infidels" into the sea. Until the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist I don't think they should have their own country.
With what weapons?
in what way that they can't do now?
did you read what you wrote?
Does becoming a state mean the UN will buy them an army?
Have you thought this one through?
5 points per question due by tuesday.
Thank you Jake I agree with this statement
The weapons they tried to have smuggled in on that flotilla for starters. The reason Israel is blockading Gaza is prevent Hamas from getting more rockets.
but they could not do without getting state recognition?
I think you may be rooting for Goliath.
01 Oct 2011, 10:20 pm
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Prince Turki al-Faisal, former director of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former Saudi ambassador to the United States
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Quote:
Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval,
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Quote:
Saudi Arabia recently played a leading role in isolating Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s brutal government
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
It will be very bad if we veto the bill 9/11 was ten years ago lets move on as a country we dont have a remmber the holocaust day or remmber the trial of tears day either so lets just move on besides they show the 9/11 video to make americans angry so they will continue to support the war we are in
If we do allow a Palestinian state they will immediately attack Israel anyways trying to push "the infidels" into the sea. Until the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist I don't think they should have their own country.
With what weapons?
in what way that they can't do now?
did you read what you wrote?
Does becoming a state mean the UN will buy them an army?
Have you thought this one through?
5 points per question due by tuesday.
Thank you Jake I agree with this statement
The weapons they tried to have smuggled in on that flotilla for starters. The reason Israel is blockading Gaza is prevent Hamas from getting more rockets.
but they could not do without getting state recognition?
I think you may be rooting for Goliath.
Seriously, if Israel had wanted to wipe out the Palestinians, they could have done so at any time in a few days to a week. They have no interest in wiping out the Palestinians.
01 Oct 2011, 10:26 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Prince Turki al-Faisal, former director of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former Saudi ambassador to the United States
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Quote:
Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval,
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Quote:
Saudi Arabia recently played a leading role in isolating Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s brutal government
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
It will be very bad if we veto the bill 9/11 was ten years ago lets move on as a country we dont have a remmber the holocaust day or remmber the trial of tears day either so lets just move on besides they show the 9/11 video to make americans angry so they will continue to support the war we are in
If we do allow a Palestinian state they will immediately attack Israel anyways trying to push "the infidels" into the sea. Until the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist I don't think they should have their own country.
With what weapons?
in what way that they can't do now?
did you read what you wrote?
Does becoming a state mean the UN will buy them an army?
Have you thought this one through?
5 points per question due by tuesday.
Thank you Jake I agree with this statement
The weapons they tried to have smuggled in on that flotilla for starters. The reason Israel is blockading Gaza is prevent Hamas from getting more rockets.
but they could not do without getting state recognition?
I think you may be rooting for Goliath.
Seriously, if Israel had wanted to wipe out the Palestinians, they could have done so at any time in a few days to a week. They have no interest in wiping out the Palestinians.
Did I say Israel was going to wipe out the Palestinians?
Does Palestine has to wait until state recognition before they can wipe out Israel?
but they could not do without getting state recognition?
What changes with recognition?
The Palestinians become a military state?
They get Jets? Bombers? a Nuke?
All that changes is that Palestine can bring suit in the international court and Israel can Ignore them
that is all.
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01 Oct 2011, 10:28 pm
Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Prince Turki al-Faisal, former director of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former Saudi ambassador to the United States
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Quote:
Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval,
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Quote:
Saudi Arabia recently played a leading role in isolating Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s brutal government
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
It will be very bad if we veto the bill 9/11 was ten years ago lets move on as a country we dont have a remmber the holocaust day or remmber the trial of tears day either so lets just move on besides they show the 9/11 video to make americans angry so they will continue to support the war we are in
If we do allow a Palestinian state they will immediately attack Israel anyways trying to push "the infidels" into the sea. Until the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist I don't think they should have their own country.
With what weapons?
in what way that they can't do now?
did you read what you wrote?
Does becoming a state mean the UN will buy them an army?
Have you thought this one through?
5 points per question due by tuesday.
Thank you Jake I agree with this statement
The weapons they tried to have smuggled in on that flotilla for starters. The reason Israel is blockading Gaza is prevent Hamas from getting more rockets.
but they could not do without getting state recognition?
I think you may be rooting for Goliath.
Seriously, if Israel had wanted to wipe out the Palestinians, they could have done so at any time in a few days to a week. They have no interest in wiping out the Palestinians.
I am not rooting for Goliath but the Palestinians deserve their own state Palestine posses no threat to Israel not like the other Arab countries that hate Israel.
All they want it to be recognized as their own state whats wrong with that?
01 Oct 2011, 10:31 pm
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
JakobVirgil wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Joker wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Prince Turki al-Faisal, former director of Saudi Arabia’s intelligence services and a former Saudi ambassador to the United States
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
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So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
wrote an open letter in the New York Times basically threatening the US of severely reduced political bonds if the US Veto the vote in the UN
Turki would NEVER write such a direct and blunt letter unless he has the full authorization from the King himself
it is a nice diplomatic way to warn the US, and by publishing it, fully disclose their position to the world and especially the arab world
Quote:
Saudi Arabia would no longer be able to cooperate with America in the same way it historically has. With most of the Arab world in upheaval,
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
the “special relationship” between Saudi Arabia and the United States would increasingly be seen as toxic by the vast majority of Arabs and Muslims,
who demand justice for the Palestinian people.
Saudi leaders would be forced by domestic and regional pressures to adopt a far more independent and assertive foreign policy.
Like our recent military support for Bahrain’s monarchy, which America opposed, Saudi Arabia would pursue other policies at odds with those of the United States,
including opposing the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki in Iraq and refusing to open an embassy there despite American pressure to do so.
The Saudi government might part ways with Washington in Afghanistan and Yemen as well.
Turki even goes deeper and publicly accuses Iran-Syria as the 'axis of evil'
The only losers in this scenario would be Syria and Iran, pariah states that have worked tirelessly
— through their support of Hamas and Hezbollah — to undermine the peace process.
Quote:
Saudi Arabia recently played a leading role in isolating Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s brutal government
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
by demanding an end to the killing of protesters and recalling the Saudi ambassador from Damascus.
The impending fall of Mr. Assad’s barbarous regime provides a rare strategic opportunity to weaken Iran.
Without this vital ally, Tehran will find it more difficult to foment discord in the Arab world.
Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/12/opini ... .html?_r=2
This is not normal diplomatic talk from SA
They seem to be sensing an impending gloom and doom scenario (Mine is awesomely gloomy ! !) and are trying their best to minimize the damages
cause there are extremely large chances for MAJOR damages to happen, once this Palestinian thing takes off
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
So how the US and their supporters (the Americans, Israelis and pro-Israel) expect from Palestinians to cease terrorism while both of their governments are playing hard to keep this people stateless like this?
Are they really realizing that casting the veto against forming a Palestinian state would be the death of the whole peace-process and the end of all Moderate and west-friendly Middle-eastern currents? Abbas would resign, Fatah will be no more, 14 March in Lebanon will be weaken even more, same for the Saudi King's current, the moderate branch of the Syrian opposition and Egyptian's rising new forces and the green movement in Iran....
On the other hand, the only other alternative left would be the war-process and extremism , yes that's right, the veto will serve the causes of Hamas , Hezbollah, the Muslim brotherhood and what's worse of all, the Pro-Qaeda (Anti- Saudi King) branch of Wahhabists greatly, and they would all gain more popularity. In other term, there will be a lot of blood.
It will be very bad if we veto the bill 9/11 was ten years ago lets move on as a country we dont have a remmber the holocaust day or remmber the trial of tears day either so lets just move on besides they show the 9/11 video to make americans angry so they will continue to support the war we are in
If we do allow a Palestinian state they will immediately attack Israel anyways trying to push "the infidels" into the sea. Until the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist I don't think they should have their own country.
With what weapons?
in what way that they can't do now?
did you read what you wrote?
Does becoming a state mean the UN will buy them an army?
Have you thought this one through?
5 points per question due by tuesday.
Thank you Jake I agree with this statement
The weapons they tried to have smuggled in on that flotilla for starters. The reason Israel is blockading Gaza is prevent Hamas from getting more rockets.
but they could not do without getting state recognition?
I think you may be rooting for Goliath.
Seriously, if Israel had wanted to wipe out the Palestinians, they could have done so at any time in a few days to a week. They have no interest in wiping out the Palestinians.
Did I say Israel was going to wipe out the Palestinians?
Does Palestine has to wait until state recognition before they can wipe out Israel?
but they could not do without getting state recognition?
What changes with recognition?
The Palestinians become a military state?
They get Jets? Bombers? a Nuke?
All that changes is that Palestine can bring suit in the international court and Israel can Ignore them
that is all.
You don't reward someone for bad behavior, until the Palestinians recognize Israel's right to exist, why should we recognize their right for their country to exist. Heck the land they are claiming is land that the other Middle Eastern countries took from them when they (the other Arab Countries) went after Israel (when Israel first became a country again).
The Israelis took that land from Jordan, Syria, and Egypt, in the 6 day war. If anyone owes the Palestinians compensation it is those three countries and possibly Great Britain (then again the British owned the real estate).
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01 Oct 2011, 10:36 pm
Palestine just wants to be its own country just give it them their own country whats the worse that would happen 
People get rewarded for bad behavior all the time their called crooked politicians 
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