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JakobVirgil
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04 Nov 2011, 9:43 am

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How many of Adams kids were by Eve, and how many by Lilith?

If he had surviving children from both then DNA from both Eve and Lilith would still exist in us living people today.

Both as a group, and as individuals living people would have a mix of nuclear DNA from both Lilith and from Eve.


But mitochondrial DNA comes exclusively from your mom.

So all living individuals today would get all of their mitochondrial DNA exclusively from either Eve, or from Lilith.

So Im tryig to figure out what the ratio of mitochondrial descendants of Eve is to that of mitochondrial descendants of Lilith.

Could YOU be descendant from Lilith?

Forget about vaccines.
Maybe thats the cause of autism.
Inheriting DNA from Lilith!


In scripture Eve is the mother of Adams sons.
Maybe we can use Lilith to solve the "Wives problem" making everyone a descendant of Lily
there is also the question of Adams second Wife the one he rejected because he saw her inside out. (from Ben Sira)
Maybe her DNA should show up.

Genesis claims that Eve is the mother of all living but maybe not the mitochondrial mother.
While we are doing Torah genetics how many folks have Angelic y-chromosomes.


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04 Nov 2011, 5:00 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
How many of Adams kids were by Eve, and how many by Lilith?

If he had surviving children from both then DNA from both Eve and Lilith would still exist in us living people today.

Both as a group, and as individuals living people would have a mix of nuclear DNA from both Lilith and from Eve.


But mitochondrial DNA comes exclusively from your mom.

So all living individuals today would get all of their mitochondrial DNA exclusively from either Eve, or from Lilith.

So Im tryig to figure out what the ratio of mitochondrial descendants of Eve is to that of mitochondrial descendants of Lilith.

Could YOU be descendant from Lilith?

Forget about vaccines.
Maybe thats the cause of autism.
Inheriting DNA from Lilith!


In scripture Eve is the mother of Adams sons.
Maybe we can use Lilith to solve the "Wives problem" making everyone a descendant of Lily
there is also the question of Adams second Wife the one he rejected because he saw her inside out. (from Ben Sira)
Maybe her DNA should show up.

Genesis claims that Eve is the mother of all living but maybe not the mitochondrial mother.
While we are doing Torah genetics how many folks have Angelic y-chromosomes.


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07 Nov 2011, 7:48 pm

OK, I'm going to put an end to this Lilith mishegas. To my knowledge, the notion of the existence of Lilith has been rejected by modern Jewish scholars, who instead follow the Midrash of Bereshit Rabbah 8:1:

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Rabbi Yirmiyah ben Elazar said: When the Holy One created the first man, God made it androgynous. That's what it means when it says “male and female God created them.” Rabbi Shmuel bar Nachman said: When the Holy One created the first man, God created it two faced and then (later) sawed it (in two) creating for it two backs, a back here and a back there. They asked him: But what of the verse “and God took one of his ribs (tzela)?” He answered them, [it really means that] "God took one of the flanks (tzela).” The word [tzela] is also used to describe the flank or side of the tabernacle in Exodus 26.


And when you think of it, it is precisely this that explains the context of the verse: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh." (Gen. 2:24)



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09 Nov 2011, 7:56 am

*To the original post*

. . . I smell sitcom! That was interesting, though, especially as a fan of Neon Genesis Evangelion (Eva is an alternate name for Eve), even if the creator has dismissed these theories.



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09 Nov 2011, 5:26 pm

DevilInPgh wrote:
OK, I'm going to put an end to this Lilith mishegas. To my knowledge, the notion of the existence of Lilith has been rejected by modern Jewish scholars, who instead follow the Midrash of Bereshit Rabbah 8:1:

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Rabbi Yirmiyah ben Elazar said: When the Holy One created the first man, God made it androgynous. That's what it means when it says “male and female God created them.” Rabbi Shmuel bar Nachman said: When the Holy One created the first man, God created it two faced and then (later) sawed it (in two) creating for it two backs, a back here and a back there. They asked him: But what of the verse “and God took one of his ribs (tzela)?” He answered them, [it really means that] "God took one of the flanks (tzela).” The word [tzela] is also used to describe the flank or side of the tabernacle in Exodus 26.


And when you think of it, it is precisely this that explains the context of the verse: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh." (Gen. 2:24)


Plato wrote his own creation myth which involved the gods making a critter that was a big ball with two faces on opposite sides and eight limbs which it used to summersault around like a tumble weed to get around.

Then one day this creature got split in two -sliced head to tail, and became two seperate creatures. These were the first man and first woman. And thats why we descnedants of this creature are perpetually yearning for our missing half.

you're saying that a modern expert thinks that the authors of the Bible independently came up with (or were given by God) virtually the same idea.

If that is the case then why does it say "male and female created he them". Why are "they" already "them"-plural if he made "them" as one hermaphrodite critter?

Sounds like this modern expert is reading alot into it that isnt there.



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09 Nov 2011, 5:36 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
DevilInPgh wrote:
OK, I'm going to put an end to this Lilith mishegas. To my knowledge, the notion of the existence of Lilith has been rejected by modern Jewish scholars, who instead follow the Midrash of Bereshit Rabbah 8:1:

Quote:
Rabbi Yirmiyah ben Elazar said: When the Holy One created the first man, God made it androgynous. That's what it means when it says “male and female God created them.” Rabbi Shmuel bar Nachman said: When the Holy One created the first man, God created it two faced and then (later) sawed it (in two) creating for it two backs, a back here and a back there. They asked him: But what of the verse “and God took one of his ribs (tzela)?” He answered them, [it really means that] "God took one of the flanks (tzela).” The word [tzela] is also used to describe the flank or side of the tabernacle in Exodus 26.


And when you think of it, it is precisely this that explains the context of the verse: "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh." (Gen. 2:24)


Plato wrote his own creation myth which involved the gods making a critter that was a big ball with two faces on opposite sides and eight limbs which it used to summersault around like a tumble weed to get around.

Then one day this creature got split in two -sliced head to tail, and became two seperate creatures. These were the first man and first woman. And thats why we descnedants of this creature are perpetually yearning for our missing half.

you're saying that a modern expert thinks that the authors of the Bible independently came up with (or were given by God) virtually the same idea.

If that is the case then why does it say "male and female created he them". Why are "they" already "them"-plural if he made "them" as one hermaphrodite critter?

Sounds like this modern expert is reading alot into it that isnt there.


he cribbed it from Plato.


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