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how can any person consume that many chickens in a year? it must be an error. i can not believe such assertions.


ok i am joking, but really? 18 BILLION?
that means that each person consumes roughly 60 chickens per year.

i can not see that that is a fact that i concur with even though i do not have privilege to the data.

Morality is not exclusively calculated by the harm inflicted on others, it is also the way we judge and feel about our own actions. Even supposing that the taboo is irrational ("chickens are stupid so it's ok to eat them"), a vegan may derive moral pleasure or self-satisfaction from abstaining. "Acting in accordance with one's beliefs" is a powerful human motivator.

And let's not forget that food is integral to socialization. We often adopt/assimilate our taboos blindly from our culture; if these beliefs are questioned then it is natural to feel threatened and become irrational, because we are defending not just our own beliefs but also our peer group. For a lot of people vegan is a "clique;" it is a lifestyle of eating, dressing, and shopping, which is how young people bond with their friends.

From an article in -Wired-

But it can also be attributed to diet trends. Chicken has increasingly become what's for dinner. According to the U.S. Poultry and Egg Association, U.S. chicken consumption per capita has risen from 68.8 pounds in 1995 to an estimated 85.6 pounds in 2004, up 24.4 percent (Here's the chart.) Meanwhile, turkey consumption has remained stagnant. And for all the hullabaloo surrounding the Atkins diet, beef consumption simply hasn't kept up. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, per capita beef consumption rose from a low of 64.4 pounds in 1993 to 67.5 pounds in 2002. (Go here and click "beef" on the bottom.) And according to the Cattle Beef Board, beef consumption has fallen since 2002.

That is nearly 90 lbs of chicken per person. Obviously not all of the chicken is eaten. For example the feather and the bones are discarded. And most people do not eat the necks or the giblets.

ruveyn

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell

So you've stooped to personal name-calling. You've got less stamina than the last evangelical vegan who tried to get on my case, but you're still an evangelical vegan.

The problem with you scum is that you expect everyone to comply, without question, with your "harm none, and do as you will" ethics. You are are automatically prejudiced against anyone who doesn't unquestioningly abide by that, to the same ridiculous extent that you do. You are bigots, and to me that puts you on a level with any other unwashed barbarian.

You might not like my outlook on ethics, but it's just as valid as yours. I do not see myself as obligated to feel compassion toward an animal that I and my society have established as a source of food. The way I see it, the cow's station in life is to serve me as a source of sustenance and useful materials. Because my treatment of the animal is beholden to a social structure to which I just happen to be a beneficiary, I see this arrangement as valid. I am consistent in this in that I see any cruelty toward the animal that is not necessary for seeing this arrangement through as just as evil and unnatural as any other unnecessary cruelty.

But, because you are a bigot, you choose to openly insult my intelligence because I don't see the world in the same way that you do. Screw you. For all that you may criticize my morals and try to insult my intelligence, you lack one of the most basic trappings of modern civilization, which is tolerance. In your refusal to even try to understand my point of view, you are choosing to wallow in your own ignorance. Like every evangelical vegan (or evangelical of any kind) I've ever known, you are an intolerant as*hole, and you do nothing to redeem yourself for being an intolerant as*hole.

So screw you times ten for validating my prejudices because prejudice is something that I try to get away from. Unfortunately, it's impossible to ignore the fact that I have never encountered an evangelical vegan who wasn't a total dick. It's easier to find Christian fundamentalists who don't drive me to such thoughts of violence. Way to NOT buck the trend, and way to NOT distinguish yourself.

Last edited by WilliamWDelaney on 20 Nov 2011, 1:54 pm, edited 5 times in total.

one chicken is eight pieces butchered KFC style. Leg, thigh, breast wing.
(I butcher indian style cutting the breast in 3 and the thigh in 2)
60 * 8 is 480
so bout 1 1/3 pieces of chicken a day?
I pull than my end on that.

Y'know, this post started out like this:

Welcome to PPR!

It is unfortunate that you fail to differentiate the message of what I wrote and see it only as a personal attack. Whereas I was making a point about how arrogant your opinion I perceive to be you don't hesitate calling me rtrd, evangelic something, a**hole, bigot, scum, dick etc, even though I have tried my best to be polite. Yes I have provoked you into such outburst *only by using the word stupid in one quote which's meaning is quite profound* but the fact that you gave into it tells me all that I need to know. I would like to hear from others if I've deserved your rant.

You do not know what my position is nor have you cared to clarify whether I stand by stereotypical vegan position.
It is beyond me how can you write such horrible words to someone you don't even know. Not only have you ignored every single point I was making but you allowed yourself to insult me with odd unreasonable claims. Fwiw you have "insulted my intelligence" by claiming you know better from the very start. I should have known better than to talk to you anyway.

What can I say - that just proves this quote. Never in my time here I would have imagines that people could be like this in this forum. Apparently your tolerance just shines in this. I don't understan what have I done to you but clearly you have some issues.

I stress this again - I have not insulted you in any way nor have I claimed to support all the vegan views. I shall refrain myself from responding to your hate speech the same I don't know how to do one. You can try and show me where is it that I have insulted you so much to have myself called with such profanities.

To be honest this is precisely why I hate people so much.

That's just a probable fact. I am extremely knowledgeable in general, and animal cognition has at times been a subject of acute interest for me. Therefore, I probably have a greater base of scientific knowledge on this subject than you and all of your acquaintances put together, and I don't have any hesitation to say so.

Well, I'm not exactly known for being patient with people.

You didn't just insult me, but used a very snide quotation from Bertrand Russel to try to make it look authoritative. You compounded it by disrespecting not only me, but you also disrespected Bertrand Russel by misappropriating HIS words.

You are disgusting.

Pretty much any vertebrate has enough brain power to feel fear; they might not know what death is, or that 'they' are going to die, but they can get a cick of adrenaline and feel a behavioral drive to escape that is indistinguishable from that of a human. Likewise, any vertebrate can suffer when confined in a too-small enclosure without the level of security and stimulation that it would naturally seek out if given the option.

That said, if you're fortunate enough to live in an area with raisers-of-animals that you can go and visit, you might find some who raise happy, healthy animals with comfortable accomodations and enough freedom for them to be content with their lifes, and who kill them humanely in such a way that they don't have time to get that rush of adrenaline.

If you burn yourself, you automatically remove your finger from the flame. That's handled by the reflex arc. Your sense of self doesn't come into it.

It's not humane to kill a perfectly healthy, happy creature when you don't need to.

Thank you.

The notion of "humane" DEATH CAMPS still continues to evade my understanding.

What if it tastes good when cooked?

ruveyn