[POLL] Where are you politically?

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I know lots of people like to say that they'd work for nothing, work for their aspirations, and that they believe a society could work on a voluntary basis - congratulations, if what you say is true you're wonderful human beings and wonderful abberations to the rule, however you have to realize that you're not the average person.

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You don't sound like a libertarian. A centrist liberal perhaps?

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I guess I'm sort of a liberal. I'm liberal about gay rights, moderate about gun ownership, and fairly conservative about abortion. I think American conservatism is really weird - all these people shouting about how "Christian" they are, and how "Christian" they want America to be, but at the same time they have no interest in helping the poor or the sick or any sort of downtrodden folk.

That's social conservatism behaving like a strange breed of libertarianism.

It's not necessarily social conservatism. It's a form of conservatism though.

That's not really social conservatism. Libertarianism, maybe, although we'd have to know more. But really, there's nothing wrong with just having a position and not aligning yourself with any of these categories. I find it more much interesting to read.

But Socialism is not about voluntary work. It is about being able to work under humane conditions. And, personally, I think it's also about having the knowledge that your work is valuable for the society you live in. And that you work will not replaced by a machine in ten year's time and you have to look for another job.

I think it's perverse that people say, "There is not enough work", even though many many many things need to be worked on. There's just no employer who could afford to employ you. ^^ Because "there is not enough money".

Are we just going to leave it nameless though? I'm appalled to call that 'conservatism' because it makes anyone who has any other conservative beliefs but who doesn't share the Christian thing look like they're part-in-parcel and it seems to even lend the air that if you aren't a bible-beating theist there's no reason to be a conservative, which is a garbage claim.

There's dissonance though between what's desired in theory and what really tends to happen though. It seems like countries with little unskilled immigration and high levels of individual education do well with it, others do awful. You almost need to break poverty and break the habits of poverty before you can have a system like that float. It seems as well that the more jobs that are available the more the employers have to compete for labor and the better the terms and conditions are for the employees; doing things that help the economy help businesses hire and also put them in a position where if they have crap work conditions that people will vote with their feet.


What do you even do about that though? We have trade on a global level, it seems like money has been a way of keeping track of efficiency but I'm not sure how we'd ever conduct trade if we made those numbers up out of whole cloth internally and essentially did away with any kind of currency. Credit seems cyclical as well where you have credit bubbles, those bubbles burst, things are hard for a while, then the amount of credit stars increasing, and it cycles like that ad infinitum; if government tampers with that the best they can do is speed the rupture of the next bubble in the case where we have currency and in the case where we don't have a currency, what on earth do we do in lieu of that?

Unfortunately we don't have any easy answers and it seems like we don't have nearly the technology that we'd need for a proper welfare state that can balance its budget unless we're dealing with, as I'd mentioned before, a rather highly educated and less plural society which could be fine for some countries but it would fail miserably for others.

I'm an American liberal for the most part, whatever that means.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

It seems the capitalism, consumerism and materialism will never be dampened down while countries like the USA have an unwritten law that only multi-millionaires can run for president. They are not a representitive group to choose from.

Other (European) countries have laws limiting the amount of money you are allowed to spend in an election campaign, a small amout per head of population. Its enough to pay for leaflets, interviews and posters, to get across the message, without the manipulation and brainwashing that an expensive media campaign would attempt.
If a party or candidate has overspent when the accounts are scrutinised then they can lose the election even if they "won" (or more commonly get fined if it was only a small overspend) because it is officially CHEATING to bombard the public with expensive media ads.

Can anyone tell me how the American system=democracy?

Socialism all the way, my friends.

Though, to be very honest, my political opinions are very different from traditional socialism. If national socialism and European nationalism did not have historic connotations, I'd adopt them as names for parts of my opinion.
Something that is surprisingly consistent throughout different facets of my opinion is a combination of responsibility and a sense of community. In my sacred personal opinion, politics should primarily supply a good quality of life for all citizens and supply groups within its political sphere of influence willing to co-operate in order to progress scientifically, culturally or economically with funding, infrastructure or manpower.

As long as I see the rest of the world differing from a European somewhat-shared world view, I'd stress European leaders to focus on maintaining and improving their own position of power in the world in order to keep Europe in a comparatively good position and allow people to live lives relatively free of worry. Hence the European nationalism theme. Though, skilled immigrants who share our basic mindset should be welcome.
In any case, while maintaining a proper military presence and putting the destruction of nuclear arsenals to a stop, personal freedoms and separation of state and church should be among any European government's priorities.

Something I've never understood is why millions of people in Europe alone accept poverty, loss of rights and loss of employment because some high-up businessmen say paper is against them.
Greece needs a revolution. Badly.

Well my favorite of those is anarchy so that is what I chose, though it was kind of between that and communism...but actual communism with no ruling class.

I partly agree, I answer later as in Liverpool today the day of days is the Merseyside derby where religion comes before politics.
Now let my find my ticket of the Kop, my 1965 cup final replica Liverpool jersey & red & white scarf please. My reply later tonight might be a very drunker one COME ON YOU REDMEN, BEAT EVERTON!!

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Just back from Anfield, now for my answer ok yes England was a big player in early capitalism.
However from what I read of late on late medieval & renaissance history it was Italy and Greece that started off mercantilsm.
Now mercantilsm came before the industrial revolution.

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Weren't you on here before under another UID Chipshorter?

pm later & i'll tell you mate