What is the ultimate goal of the multicultural movement?

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20 Mar 2012, 12:54 am

Tequila wrote:

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Muslims are scary and brown

I like the way you paint the continuing failure of many Muslims - or, rather, the Islamic ideology - to integrate into Western (or perhaps this is just European?) society as simply a racial issue rather than something far more fundamental. I don't see too many people having much of an issue with Sikhs, Hindus, Chinese or various Eastern European immigrants (besides the continuing opposition to essentially unlimited immigration here for a country that is similar not set up nor geared to this kind of influx).

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LOL that's fantastic Tequila, [EDIT: personal insult removed by mod]. Apparently you didn't notice where I wrote the problem is Islam. [EDIT: personal insult removed by mod]

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20 Mar 2012, 12:58 am

let's keep this thread insult-free. thank you.

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20 Mar 2012, 3:26 am

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Okay, so far, points against multiculturalism include:

The food in Toronto is not great
Toronto is a sterile place
Some Canadians pissed off some angry guy and his family
Muslims are scary and brown
The inane ramblings of a sick and delusional racist cockboy and his sockpuppets
Dey tuk 'r jawb!!

Vigilans, would you advocate white people moving in next door to the isolated tribes in the Amazon Rainforest? Assume that we could vaccinate the natives to prevent all potentially introduced diseases and viruses.

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20 Mar 2012, 11:09 am

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I don't advocate anyone moving anywhere. People go where they need to

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20 Mar 2012, 11:58 am

Multiculturalism is an old military tactic -- divide and conquer. Let's keep wasting our time and resources discussing this one.

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20 Mar 2012, 12:01 pm

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Multiculturalism is an old military tactic -- divide and conquer. Let's keep wasting our time and resources discussing this one.

Divide? Who is being divided? The whole point is inclusion- unity and tolerance- not division.

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20 Mar 2012, 12:03 pm

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The whole point is inclusion- unity and tolerance- not division.

There generally is unity and tolerance in Britain amongst most of the other immigrant communities. That's the thing. Islam is the problem. As I keep saying.

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20 Mar 2012, 12:06 pm

Tequila wrote:

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The whole point is inclusion- unity and tolerance- not division.

There generally is unity and tolerance in Britain amongst most of the other immigrant communities. That's the thing. Islam is the problem. As I keep saying.

I have said that as well.

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20 Mar 2012, 1:43 pm

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There generally is unity and tolerance in Britain amongst most of the other immigrant communities. That's the thing. Islam is the problem. As I keep saying.

So, learn to tolerate Islam, like you tolerate other religions, and your problems are gone. Islamaphobia is the problem. They don't pose any more threat to you than anyone else, because everyone is governed by the same criminal code. Beyond that, they're entitled to all the same freedoms as you, and they are also people who deserve respect.

In a multicultural society, you don't have to make this calculation each time, for each new thing you encounter, because tolerance and respect is the policy. Under multiculturalism, everyone follows the same laws, and are protected by the same rights, unless the laws infringe on their rights, in which case their rights are respected. But we've decided having to tolerate people does not infringe on your rights.

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20 Mar 2012, 1:50 pm

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So, learn to tolerate Islam, like you tolerate other religions, and your problems are gone. Islamaphobia is the problem.

They don't tolerate our culture and way of life. A lot of them behave as though they live in rural Pakistan. Have you been to the UK and seen what it's like up here? That said, a lot of Muslims really do try to integrate into British life as much as possible and really just look like any other dark-skinned Brit. It's complicated.

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20 Mar 2012, 1:56 pm

Diversity is economically successful. Business has already realized long ago that there is more profit in diversity than there is in homogeneity.

Meanwhile, white men continue to bleat about how hard-done by they are. I am not moved. Any study will amply demonstrate that in Europe, North America, Australia and New Zealand, economic wealth and power is still concentrated in white, male hands, and that white males outperform all other cohorts in earning capacity. Until that starts to move, the "I'm a stranger in my own land," argument will continue to ring hollow.

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20 Mar 2012, 2:16 pm

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There generally is unity and tolerance in Britain amongst most of the other immigrant communities. That's the thing. Islam is the problem. As I keep saying.

Islamophobia literally means fear of Islam. Theo Van Gogh was murdered on an open street in broad daylight and had a dagger jabbed in his chest with a death threat towards Ayan Hirsi Ali. Kurt Westergaard is living on a secret address, much like Ayan Hirsi Ali, Salman Rushdie and countless others because their lives have been threatened for using their freedom of speech. The ambassadors of amongst others Egypt and Turkey showed up at the Danish PM's office demanding that he violate the freedom of the press and freedom of speech of newspapers, meanwhile the lives of danes and other westernes were threated in massive riots which included the burning of embassies in multiple cities. Demonstrations in multiple other European cities, where "warnings" were thrown against governments and citizens of the country that if they continued to "insult" Islam, there would be violent consequences. Somehow being a little fearful seems appropriate.

I'm not saying that all muslims condone the actions above, just as I'd never say that all catholics condone child abuse. However, given the above facts, is being a bit fearful and not offering tolerance unless that tolerance is offered in return such a bad idea?

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20 Mar 2012, 2:40 pm

^^

Agreed. I can't remember the last time I heard those pushing to address global warming referred to as 'climaphobic'. If something's a problem its a problem.

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20 Mar 2012, 2:45 pm

Another key set of differences between the US and much of Europe and UK on Muslim immigrants:

1) We've had better turnouts in our effort to integrate them into our culture.
2) Anyone who preaches overthrowing the government gets hauled off to jail.
3) We don't allow pockets of Sharia to overshadow our own fundamental laws.

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20 Mar 2012, 2:50 pm

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1) We've had better turnouts in our effort to integrate them into our culture.

This is true. You wouldn't tolerate half the nonsense we would.

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20 Mar 2012, 3:00 pm

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I think the main reason for a better turnout in the US is that the combination of excessive patriotism and the fact that you have to make it on your own with little to no help from the government or social structure, you need to adapt to the existing structure. The excessive patriotism of the US is very contagious, even most of the people I know who aren't Americans, some of them even staunch anti-Americans got chills during the entrance scenes in Rocky 3.

Having to make it on your own in a country where its notoriously easy to fire someone and where getting fired has bigger consequences than in Europe, the natural result is a larger effort to integrate.

The funny thing about one law I know of is that if you say "I warn you! If you do anything to me my followers will kill you" that isn't a clear case of threats as the person who uttered it can claim that he or she was merely issuing a warning.

Most of Europe doesn't allow Sharia, but it is a problem and doesn't go well with the "gender equality" thing most governments in Europe are working. It is fairly well known that there have been cases of Sharia under the radar, however its hard to prove and is a tricky thing to deal with given freedom of speech and religion.

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