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24 Mar 2012, 3:54 pm

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All you are demonstrating is your complete lack of understanding

I guess that's your belief...or do you not believe that I am correct and that is your non-position

Anything else to add to this useful little sermon of yours or are you done spewing nonsense?

Yeah, you should ditch the irrational thought.

I recommend you follow your own advice. Or better yet, actually learn a thing or two about something before deciding to tell people actually involved in it what they "really" believe. Your entire argument is basically pigeon holing atheism, I have seen nothing rational from you

In my OP, I asked why do some atheists consider their disbelief not a belief. Are you saying that I'm wrong? That isn't pigeon holing. I'm sure there are atheists that will claim belief in the nonexistence of God is their belief.

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24 Mar 2012, 3:57 pm

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Havent you learn by now Vigilians its pointless to argue try using humor.

I can't wrap my head around why some atheists will say that, unless they want to fancy themselves as having superior thought, perched on a imaginary cloud above theists.

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24 Mar 2012, 3:57 pm

snapcap wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

snapcap wrote:

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All you are demonstrating is your complete lack of understanding

I guess that's your belief...or do you not believe that I am correct and that is your non-position

Anything else to add to this useful little sermon of yours or are you done spewing nonsense?

Yeah, you should ditch the irrational thought.

Do you assume atheists wake up every morning and think about how they do not believe in God/s? Or do they act in certain ways because they do not believe in God/s? I consider the question of God/s intellectually irrelevant and meaningless.
I'm sure you do not believe in Zeus or Poseidon- does your non belief in them define your worldview?

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24 Mar 2012, 3:59 pm

snapcap wrote:

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Havent you learn by now Vigilians its pointless to argue try using humor.

I can't wrap my head around why some atheists will say that, unless they want to fancy themselves as having superior thought, perched on a imaginary cloud above theists.

It pretty much is pointless to argue with faith, faith does not require evidence or a logical progression of events to achieve

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24 Mar 2012, 4:02 pm

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Do you assume atheists wake up every morning and think about how they do not believe in God/s?

Nope, I don't think all atheists are obsessed with their beliefs. But they do consider them from time to time, because atheists do leave the bandwagon to become some sort of theist.

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Or do they act in certain ways because they do not believe in God/s?

I'd say they are less likely to go to church.

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I consider the question of God/s intellectually irrelevant and meaningless.

So what? It's still your belief, sorry.

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I'm sure you do not believe in Zeus or Poseidon- does your non belief in them define your worldview?

I don't know. I don't know what it's like living in a world that is devoid of the notion of Zeus or Posedion.

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24 Mar 2012, 4:03 pm

Vigilans wrote:

snapcap wrote:

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Havent you learn by now Vigilians its pointless to argue try using humor.

I can't wrap my head around why some atheists will say that, unless they want to fancy themselves as having superior thought, perched on a imaginary cloud above theists.

It pretty much is pointless to argue with faith, faith does not require evidence or a logical progression of events to achieve

So your objective is to be like them? Sounds like an emotional plea more than anything. It's not very rational.

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24 Mar 2012, 4:03 pm

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snapcap wrote:

Joker wrote:

Havent you learn by now Vigilians its pointless to argue try using humor.

I can't wrap my head around why some atheists will say that, unless they want to fancy themselves as having superior thought, perched on a imaginary cloud above theists.

It pretty much is pointless to argue with faith, faith does not require evidence or a logical progression of events to achieve

Your right faith is believeing with out seeing their is a old saying religious people see by faith not by sight.

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24 Mar 2012, 4:08 pm

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Do you assume atheists wake up every morning and think about how they do not believe in God/s?

Nope, I don't think all atheists are obsessed with their beliefs. But they do consider them from time to time, because atheists do leave the bandwagon to become some sort of theist.

How so?

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Or do they act in certain ways because they do not believe in God/s?

I'd say they are less likely to go to church.

:?:

Lots of people who believe in God/s do not go to church. Likewise some atheists go to church. Is there a code of behavior for being an atheist?

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I consider the question of God/s intellectually irrelevant and meaningless.

So what? It's still your belief, sorry.

It is not something I consider a core part of my identity on any level. It is my opinion

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I'm sure you do not believe in Zeus or Poseidon- does your non belief in them define your worldview?

I don't know. I don't know what it's like living in a world that is devoid of the notion of Zeus or Posedion.

This does not answer my question.

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So your objective is to be like them? Sounds like an emotional plea more than anything. It's not very rational.

How do you get that?

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24 Mar 2012, 4:17 pm

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How so?

They don't feel atheism complements their life any longer so they feel they need to shed the belief for something else.

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Lots of people who believe in God/s do not go to church. Likewise some atheists go to church. Is there a code of behavior for being an atheist?

But I'd say being a theist increases your chances of stepping into a church. Do you think there is no difference what so ever?

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It is not something I consider a core part of my identity on any level. It is my opinion

And just like your belief, your opinion can potential change. You say it like atheism is a part of your core of who you are. How did that become so?

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I don't know. I don't know what it's like living in a world that is devoid of the notion of Zeus or Posedion.

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This does not answer my question.

It's a sliver of it, I guess. I can't say that the concept of them had no gravity on my life at all. In that case, they might have well not existed, but of course they do.

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How do you get that?

Do you believe that not believing in God constitutes as a lack of belief, meaning that even the belief that God doesn't exist doesn't count as a belief?

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24 Mar 2012, 4:35 pm

snapcap wrote:

Joker wrote:

Havent you learn by now Vigilians its pointless to argue try using humor.

I can't wrap my head around why some atheists will say that, unless they want to fancy themselves as having superior thought, perched on a imaginary cloud above theists.

Umm snapcap I go to church every sunday and I am a youth group leader an on our churchs youth council go and mission trips help areas that get hit by natural disasters my opinon is if people do not believe in God then let them what harm are they doing?

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24 Mar 2012, 4:44 pm

I like the way you think Joker.

Nothing wrong with debate though, without debate any theory is meaningless.

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24 Mar 2012, 4:52 pm

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I like the way you think Joker.

Nothing wrong with debate though, without debate any theory is meaningless.

Totally I couldnt agree more :wink:

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24 Mar 2012, 5:18 pm

snapcap wrote:

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How so?

They don't feel atheism complements their life any longer so they feel they need to shed the belief for something else.

I do not actually think atheism complements my life right now. I do not deny people sometimes return to religion, but what does this have to do with atheism being a belief system?

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Lots of people who believe in God/s do not go to church. Likewise some atheists go to church. Is there a code of behavior for being an atheist?

But I'd say being a theist increases your chances of stepping into a church. Do you think there is no difference what so ever?

Church is a community organization, some atheists feel they have to attend in order to be able to coexist peacefully with neighbors who would otherwise shun them, or because their families are religious

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It is not something I consider a core part of my identity on any level. It is my opinion

And just like your belief, your opinion can potential change. You say it like atheism is a part of your core of who you are. How did that become so?

Opinions can change but it doesn't seem likely anything will be presented to me that will. In fact, even if there were God/s, my attitude would not change. I consider the concept irrelevant to my life. I will reiterate that I do not consider my pragmatic atheism/apatheism something that defines me as an individual

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I don't know. I don't know what it's like living in a world that is devoid of the notion of Zeus or Posedion.

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This does not answer my question.

It's a sliver of it, I guess. I can't say that the concept of them had no gravity on my life at all. In that case, they might have well not existed, but of course they do.

That's fine, but your existence is not defined by your lack of belief in them

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How do you get that?

Do you believe that not believing in God constitutes as a lack of belief, meaning that even the belief that God doesn't exist doesn't count as a belief?

I'm sorry but could you rephrase this in a way that makes more sense? I think I know what you're getting at but I don't want to jump to conclusions and give you an inappropriate answer

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24 Mar 2012, 5:29 pm

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Atheism is artificial sweetener for those that can't handle real gospel crack...

FTFY.

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24 Mar 2012, 5:38 pm

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shrox wrote:

Atheism is artificial sweetener for those that can't handle real gospel crack...

FTFY.

Take your bible and smoke it in your gospel pipe!

Personally I'd say we atheists are those who take our coffee black

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24 Mar 2012, 5:43 pm

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/atheists-holding-reason-rally-washington-dc-weekend-193419793.html

This was a clear demonstration of the numbers of atheists in the country. Atheists, or people who belong to churches and synagogues for purely social or economic reasons. It should be a clear demonstration to the fundamentalists who want to make the U.S. into a "Christian Country" that they will have a fight on their hands if they try it. The atheists have no intention of abolishing religion or the churches. But the "believers" make it very hard for the atheists. I am looking forward to the day when an atheist president-elect takes the oath of office by affirmation (as specified in the U.S. constitution).

I will not testify under religious oath in a court. I ask the Judge to direct the cletl to administer the oath of truth telling by affirmation. It has the same effect as swearing on a bible. It binds me by laws concerning perjury. I am bound by law to give truthful, complete and unreserved testimony.

If you ask me why I do this I will quote to you from the Talmud: Let your yes be Yes and your no be No.

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