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Utter nonsense.
Atheists were virtually nonexistant in the human race until the mid 20th centurey.

Exactly. Stalin sought to eradicate all institutions, beliefs and ideologies that were incompatible with his own ideological belief system. A belief system that wasn't atheism but communism. He didn't wage war against religion in the name of atheism, he tried to replace all competing world views with his own communist world view.

Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, et al- each by himself murdered more people than all the crusades and jihads put together.

Hitler was not an atheist. Like all the other European fascist dictators of the 20th century -- Mussolini, Franco, Pavelić, Tiso, Codreanu etc. -- he was a Catholic Christian and had the backing of the Vatican. Pope Pius XI even signed a treaty (concordat) with the Nazi regime. The same pope said about Mussolini "God has called such a man for Italy; he saw what his country needed". His successor, pope Pius XII, personally congratulated the fascist leader Franco after he had overthrown the Spanish Republic and spoke of a "glorious victory that the Catholic Church has so hoped for."

Stalin, Pol Pot, and other communist leaders murdered for the sake of political ideology, not atheism. So did Hitler of course. His war and his attempted genocide was only partially motivated by religion. His ideology was mainly a political one, and many left-wing atheists ended up in concentration camps under the Nazi regime (Hitler abhorred atheism and prohibited atheists from joining the Nazi party).

At least I can admit people have killed in the name of their religion you fail to realize that people can kill in the name of atheism which is what stalin did both in the name of communism and atheism.

Nobody has ever killed in the name of atheism alone. Unlike communism or religion, atheism is not an ideology. It is the absence of something, not an agenda. Communism happens to be an anti-religious ideology, but atheism is not the defining characteristic of communism.

Hitler was a occultist their is a lot of evidence that supports he was a occultists look up the secrets of the third rieich also it was non theists calling him a christian to attack the christian religion.

No, he wasn't. Hitler was a Catholic and campaigned as a Christian. In fact, the Nazis handed out flyers at the election in 1932 that read "Catholics! Vote for the faithful Catholic Adolf Hitler!"

It is true that some members of the Nazi party were also members of the Thule Society and dabbled in occultism, such as Himmler and Alfred Rosenberg. But not Hitler himself. He is actually on record for saying "I don't want any conflict with the churches or the clergy. The myths of Mr. Rosenberg are not part of our party agenda". Hitler also frequently evoked god and Jesus in his speeches, quoted the Bible, called the Nazi party a Christian movement, and was strongly opposed to atheism (which he viewed as a left-wing fad) and to secular schools without religious education.

And Also christians and catholics many proestants died in the holocaust and Hitler betrayed the catholic church when he went against the treaty. But you fail to understand the fact that Stalin was a atheist that it is death by association and will make people who are atheists look bad because a lot of evil men where atheists.

If that is the case he didn't do it for a religious reason only used religion to gain politcal power once he did he shut down churches christians died in the holocuast as well as jews did some catholics too but look up hitler and the occult and see for yourself.

I am surprised that you have never heard of that Crazycatlord and you live in the fatherland Germany haven't they had history channel speicals on hitler and the occult over their? They have in America anyone can claim to be religious how ever he was called the thrid anti-christ you can find quotes of him wanting to destroy christanity on the internet just by googling it.

He was a occultist the swastica was a german pagan symbol like the other nazi symbols where.

All sorts of people died in the holocaust, including Christians. But there was no systematic extermination of Christians, unlike the mass extermination of Jews. Christians weren't interned and killed simply for being Christians, but for opposing the Nazi regime in some form or another (which is very laudable of course), for being members of the wrong political parties, or for not fitting the Nazi ideal because of having Jewish ancestry or physical or mental handicaps.

As for Stalin: Yes, he was an atheist. And Hitler was a nonsmoker. Does that make all nonsmokers look bad? Are people accessary to the holocaust simply because they aren't addicted to nicotine? Of course not. That notion is ridiculous. So is the idea that people who don't believe in supernatural entities have anything in common with Stalin, for no other reason than being atheists.

PS: How exactly did Hitler violate the treaty / concordat with the Vatican?

Also look at this link it will explain how Hitler violated the treaty http://jesuswouldbefurious.org/Catholic ... ordat.html

Far from being threatened by the Nazis, the government subsidy which the Catholic Church had enjoyed under his predecessors was tripled under Roman Catholic Chancellor Adolf Hitler.

"Between 1933, when he took office, and 1938 it rose from 150,000,000 marks a year to 500,000,000. 'What was your subsidy to the Churches', he asked of France, Britain, and America? He had never closed a church, and he left the Roman Church the richest land-owner in south and west Germany. It drew 1,500,000,000 marks a year from its property alone. (German papers give its wealth as $20,000,000,000). All that he asked was that priests should behave themselves as respectably as other citizens. "Paederasty and the corruption of children," he said, "are punished by law like other crimes in this state." The roars of applause in this case expressed the sentiment of practically the whole of Germany."
[How The Cross Courted The Swastika For Eight Years, by Joseph McCabe, chapter IV.]

In return for maintaining state support for the churches, Hitler secured an agreement that the churches would not oppose the National Socialists' rise to power. Practically overnight, both churches developed active participation in advancing the goals of the Nazis. The Lutheran press began to talk of the Jews as the "natural enemies" of Christianity. The Catholic Church even agreed to an oath of fealty to be taken by all bishops, agreeing "Before God and on the Holy Gospels, I swear and promise — as becomes a bishop — loyalty to the German Reich and to the state ... and to cause the clergy of my diocese to honor it."
[ from www.freedommag.org/english/spegerm/page18.htm ]

"After the Concordat between the Nazi regime and the Holy See (i.e. "Throne") had been concluded in the summer of 1933, Cardinal Faulhaber sent a handwritten note to Hitler, stating, "What the old parliaments and parties did not accomplish in 60 years, your statesmanlike foresight has achieved in six months. ... this handshake with the papacy, the greatest moral power in the history of the world, is a feat of immeasurable blessing." These words were written some time after the Nazi regime had abolished virtually all civil liberties, had dissolved all political parties other than its own, and had decreed the removal of "non-Aryans" from public service as well as from pastoral functions, all clearly steps toward the deprivation of citizenship rights of the Jews. These actions were never protested by members of the hierarchy, and expressions such as Faulhaber's could only bolster the regime and help sustain its policies."
[ from "The Silence of the Vatican And the Plight of the Jews," by H. Brand http://www.wpunj.edu/newpol/issue30/brand30.htm ]

Pacelli conveyed to Hitler, in the words of Germany's envoy to the Holy See, the Vatican's "indirect acknowledgment of the action of the Reich Chancellor and the government against Communism." The Concordat helped to legitimate the Nazi regime in the eyes of the world and consolidate its power at home.

Hitler then touched upon the Jewish question and, again stressing the fundamental agreement between National Socialism and Catholicism, pointed out that the Church always had regarded the Jews as parasites and had banished them into the ghetto. He was merely going to do what the Church had done for 1,500 years.. Hitler suggests that his anti-Jewish actions are "doing Christianity a great service."

Altogether, Hitler affirmed, he was personally convinced of the great power and significance of Christianity and he therefore would not permit the founding of another religion. . . Being a Catholic himself, he would not tolerate another Kulturkampf and the rights of the Church would be left intact.

Concerning the school question, Hitler declared that he would never accept an entirely secular school system. Character could be built only on the basis of religion. We must have believers, Bishop Berning reports him saying. "We need soldiers, devout soldiers. Devout soldiers are the most valuable, for they risk all. Therefore we shall keep the parochial schools in order to bring up believers," and in this task Church and State must co-operate closely. Hitler also promised to continue the Catholic organizations if they promoted Christian ideas and at the same time maintained a positive relationship to the state and were public-spirited. But all residues of liberalism and Marxism would have to be eliminated. Hitler ended the talk by stressing the great importance he attributed to working closely with the Catholic Church."
[ Lewy p. 51-52 ]

There are very interesting quotes on this site, which don't jive with the notion that Hitler worked against the Christian churches. This is consistent with other information that I've read about the close, mutually beneficial relationship between the churches and the Nazi regime.



But yes, I guess Hitler did violate the concordat by detaining "non-Aryan" members of the Catholic clergy. However, the Vatican didn't do much in terms of protest and did never annul the concordat. I've read that pope Pius XI simply ignored later reports of concentration camps from German, Dutch and Polish clergymen. In the eyes of the Vatican, this was an acceptable trade-off for Hitler's fight against communism, which was seen as a much greater threat to the church than Hitler's pro-Christian fascism. Another quote from the website:



Also interesting (I already mentioned Hitler's opposition to a secular school system in a previous post):



All in all and despite some Christian apologetic rhetoric, this website only confirms Hitler's self-identification as a Christian, his view of the Nazi party as a Christian party, and the Vatican's support of the Nazi regime. The apex of Catholic Christian involvement in the holocaust is probably the administration of the concentration camp Jasenovac in Croatia by a Catholic priest of the Franciscan order, Miroslav Filipović, who was responsible for the murder of 40,000 Jews and Serbs.