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02 May 2012, 5:41 pm

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What is there to talk about? You will have to start the ball rolling.


Thank you very much!It has started.The problem is about spread of Atheism and moral problems.

In the United States,an average non-religious person are 20% more likely to go to jail than an average Christian.


Do you have the reference for that stat? Thanks!



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02 May 2012, 5:45 pm

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Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
Grebels wrote:
What is there to talk about? You will have to start the ball rolling.


Thank you very much!It has started.The problem is about spread of Atheism and moral problems.

In the United States,an average non-religious person are 20% more likely to go to jail than an average Christian.


Do you have the reference for that stat? Thanks!


Likely it is from the Dolchavian national archives


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02 May 2012, 5:50 pm

in other words no ref. exists.



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02 May 2012, 7:43 pm

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the methdoist church openly accepts gays and lesbians.


Kind of goes against the Book of Discpline of the Methodist Church, which states "The United Methodist Church does not condone the practice of homosexuality and consider this practice incompatible with Christian teaching."


You really mean they are lax in enforcing their own rules in certain areas of the USA.



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02 May 2012, 7:49 pm

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in other words no ref. exists.


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02 May 2012, 8:01 pm

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the methdoist church openly accepts gays and lesbians.


Kind of goes against the Book of Discpline of the Methodist Church, which states "The United Methodist Church does not condone the practice of homosexuality and consider this practice incompatible with Christian teaching."


You really mean they are lax in enforcing their own rules in certain areas of the USA.


It does go against the book but we still accept them to preach and as members too. Because they are human beings their sexual orientation is their choice or they where born that way. I am omisexual I am attracted to people and not their gender its the person that matters.



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03 May 2012, 8:00 am

Vigilans wrote:
slave wrote:
Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
Grebels wrote:
What is there to talk about? You will have to start the ball rolling.


Thank you very much!It has started.The problem is about spread of Atheism and moral problems.

In the United States,an average non-religious person are 20% more likely to go to jail than an average Christian.


Do you have the reference for that stat? Thanks!


Likely it is from the Dolchavian national archives


I have displayed the references.

How to define Atheism ,Antitheism and Agnosticism?This is a problem.Is Atheism a lack of faith,or is it antitheism?If the former is correct,then there are no problems with the prison statistics.If the latter is correct,Atheism is very vulnerable logically.Atheism couldn't have the two definitions together.(I have seen this game played for several times.Atheist apologists usually use the first definition when Christians compare the faith of Christianity with the faith of Antitheism and show them how baseless Antitheism is.Atheist apologists usually use the second definition when Christians expose the social aspects of lack of religion such as the prison statistics.)



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03 May 2012, 10:30 am

Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
You should compare it with demographics.
Protestent 51.3%
Roman Catholic 23.9%
Other Christian 3.3%
(Christianity 78.5%)
Jewish 1.7%
Buddhist 0.7%
Muslim 0.6%
Hindu 0.4%
Other religions 1.2%
No religion 16.1%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Relig ... States.png
Then we have some interesting results:
Demographics in the US(a%) Demographics in the US prisons(b%) b/a

Christians 78.5% 76.6% 0.976

Non-religious 16.1% 19.5%(19.1%+0.4%) 1.21

Non-religious people are overrepresented in US prisons by more than 20%.


http://religions.pewforum.org/reports

Atheist 1.6%
Agnostic 2.4%

Secular unaffiliated 63.%
Religious unaffiliated 5.8%

If one just compare the atheist number in both survey, atheists are under represented.



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03 May 2012, 10:39 am

As we all know 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics". Did Mark Twain get that from Ben Disraeli. So where did these statsitics come from? From when the prisoner first entered prison perhaps. Fill this form in, Religion, ermm, let's think, best make it errm C of E, that's it.



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03 May 2012, 12:58 pm

Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
slave wrote:
Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
Grebels wrote:
What is there to talk about? You will have to start the ball rolling.


Thank you very much!It has started.The problem is about spread of Atheism and moral problems.

In the United States,an average non-religious person are 20% more likely to go to jail than an average Christian.


Do you have the reference for that stat? Thanks!


Likely it is from the Dolchavian national archives


I have displayed the references.

How to define Atheism ,Antitheism and Agnosticism?This is a problem.Is Atheism a lack of faith,or is it antitheism?If the former is correct,then there are no problems with the prison statistics.If the latter is correct,Atheism is very vulnerable logically.Atheism couldn't have the two definitions together.(I have seen this game played for several times.Atheist apologists usually use the first definition when Christians compare the faith of Christianity with the faith of Antitheism and show them how baseless Antitheism is.Atheist apologists usually use the second definition when Christians expose the social aspects of lack of religion such as the prison statistics.)


BS! I looked for the link in that post............not there.
Typical.



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03 May 2012, 2:03 pm

01001011 wrote:
Czeslaw_Kowalski wrote:
You should compare it with demographics.
Protestent 51.3%
Roman Catholic 23.9%
Other Christian 3.3%
(Christianity 78.5%)
Jewish 1.7%
Buddhist 0.7%
Muslim 0.6%
Hindu 0.4%
Other religions 1.2%
No religion 16.1%
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Relig ... States.png
Then we have some interesting results:
Demographics in the US(a%) Demographics in the US prisons(b%) b/a

Christians 78.5% 76.6% 0.976

Non-religious 16.1% 19.5%(19.1%+0.4%) 1.21

Non-religious people are overrepresented in US prisons by more than 20%.


http://religions.pewforum.org/reports

Atheist 1.6%
Agnostic 2.4%

Secular unaffiliated 63.%
Religious unaffiliated 5.8%

If one just compare the atheist number in both survey, atheists are under represented.


I said something to that effect in my last post on this thread. However, it appears that my post was ignored.



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03 May 2012, 5:55 pm

Grebels wrote:
As we all know 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics". Did Mark Twain get that from Ben Disraeli. So where did these statsitics come from? From when the prisoner first entered prison perhaps. Fill this form in, Religion, ermm, let's think, best make it errm C of E, that's it.


Robert Hare writes about his experience of prisoner psychology, describing how prisoners find religion in order to increase their chances of receiving early parole, which is apparently an effective strategy.


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03 May 2012, 8:37 pm

Orr wrote:
Grebels wrote:
As we all know 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics". Did Mark Twain get that from Ben Disraeli. So where did these statsitics come from? From when the prisoner first entered prison perhaps. Fill this form in, Religion, ermm, let's think, best make it errm C of E, that's it.


Robert Hare writes about his experience of prisoner psychology, describing how prisoners find religion in order to increase their chances of receiving early parole, which is apparently an effective strategy.

That's not the case for all of them. It's impossible to take statistics on who was just looking to get out on parole.


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03 May 2012, 9:37 pm

John_Browning wrote:
Orr wrote:
Grebels wrote:
As we all know 'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics". Did Mark Twain get that from Ben Disraeli. So where did these statsitics come from? From when the prisoner first entered prison perhaps. Fill this form in, Religion, ermm, let's think, best make it errm C of E, that's it.


Robert Hare writes about his experience of prisoner psychology, describing how prisoners find religion in order to increase their chances of receiving early parole, which is apparently an effective strategy.

That's not the case for all of them. It's impossible to take statistics on who was just looking to get out on parole.


Well,my friend,are you a Israel supporter?So do I.I love the Jewish ethnicity.



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04 May 2012, 5:24 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... l_AnDiugh/


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05 May 2012, 5:04 pm

How about a topic: How have churches done when it comes to accepting and including you?


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