Pro-Israeli or Pro-Palestinian?

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I'm Pro-Israeli. I'm in favor of nuking all backward Middle-Eastern countries (joke). I used to be pro-Palestinian. I'm tired of Islam and primitive people.

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I hope I won't get shot down for derailing, it's just nicer to listen to this as a theme music to your post.

"NWO" is a libertarian canard (based on a fear of the imagined "Illuminati").

Just as tribes were replaced by nation-states, I would like to see sovereign nation-states replaced by a world government (world federalism).

Try mentally replacing "primitive people" with "unfortunate people".

If the world doesn't treat them as real people with the same rights as anyone else, the "primitive people" will resent it and become even more tribal. They are people first. As people, they have the right to defend themselves from the illegal Israeli occupation.

I'd almost start feeling sorry for what we did to Saudi Arabia, or Qatar, or the United Arab Emirates - countries with mentalities even more conservative, and a lot more wealth. It's certainly not poverty or poor treatment causing them to be so conservative. And in any case, this is a pattern that has been in place for 1400 years. The general rule, with very few exceptions: non-secular Sunni Islam equals religious intolerance, societal group-bound repression and modern-day unrest.

Notable examples: Egypt's religious unrest in which Coptic Christians are hard-hit; the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict; patterns of religious intolerance and extremism throughout Israel's neighbour states; Saudi witchcraft laws; violent protests even in wealthy countries; extremism and terrorism in Iraq; tribal and sectarian conflicts in Yemen; the situation between Pakistan and India; the very-recent (link) situation near the border between Bangladesh and India; persecution of minority religious groups in Indonesia; racist and sectarian legislation in Malaysia; unrest, racist outbursts of violence and sectarian extremism in North Africa; outbreaks of violence and acts of terrorism originating in islamic parts of Russia; the situation in Afghanistan; the situation in border regions between North Sudan and South Sudan, with many people facing genocide now.

That's pretty much all. Notice their similarities to Palestine? Very few of them are occupied by Israel. In itself, this shouldn't be an explanation for how they're acting - after all, Palestine has more similarities to Syria or Lebanon than it has similarities to other occupied or breakaway regions, like Tibet and Abkhazia. They're not much a group of oppressed people fighting a diabolical menace, as a lot of people want to portray them. They're yet another islamic territory consistently keeping itself poor, badly-informed and hostile.

That's not what I meant. I meant that they were unfortunate to be brought up in a poor society full of religion and tribalism. I'm not making any claims as to why their society is that way.

That's why I am saying that they are people first. They are people who are wrong about many things, but that's not their fault - they were brought up in a society where falsehoods are portrayed as the unquestionable truth. And if I know anything about human psychology, it's that people will cling even more strongly to their falsehoods if they are portrayed by outsiders as "savages".

Funny how Americans of a particular radical political stripe can lead lives of delusion that unseen forces like the Illuminati are arrayed against "real Americans" like them.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Bill, I don't mean this in reference to anyone here, but the FBI is worried about radical libertarianism, too:

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/april/sovereigncitizens_041310

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/september-2011/sovereign-citizens

I can certainly believe it. Not many years ago, there were some of these so called sovereign citizens group in nearby Montana who had pretty much terrorized a town into submission by threatening government officials and going everywhere armed. The Feds came in and laid seige to their compound, and even got that mental giant (sarcasm) Bo Gritz to go in to talk to them, due to his radical right credentials. Gritz went away saying that they were nothing but frauds out for notoriety. The Michigan Militia even arrived to fulfill their threat that they wouldn't let the federal government push around their political brethren as they had at Waco or Ruby Ridge - - then went home with their tails between their legs after the FBI gave them a stern talking to. The anti-government idiots finally surrendered without a shot fired.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

It has been a problem in the U.S. for a long time. Many people first became aware of it through the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas, or the Oklahoma City bombing.

The FBI is afraid that radical libertarianism may increase with the Internet.

Funny how government advocates force guns to people's heads and tell them what to do. Funny how you call us extremists, terrorists, crackpots, yet all we want is for you to leave us alone. How many innocent people die from cops every year? How many people has government killed? Too many. Big government advocates benefit from their own ideology at the expense of others.

Which is why they are trying to control it. They don't want people thinking together.

As a matter of fact, those radicals and extremists want to be left alone by the government so they can threaten anyone who is the wrong color or religion, or stock up on guns so they can fight the Satanic army when the End of Days comes. With that last, the army of Satan would consist of most of us who don't by into their rapture and millenialism theology.
There's actually a very good reason why the government is interested in them.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

No, because it is a domestic terrorist movement.

The problem is that some radical libertarians (sovereign citizens, freemen, "patriots," etc.) do a lot more than ask to be left alone. They commit acts of domestic terrorism.

Radical libertarianism can be a dangerous ideology.

Well stated. It had a maybe a 100 year era of peace where laws were developed to respect those non-muslims living under the ottomans, but only after a 800 year long dark ages. It is not a religion of peace if it has no reform, secular, or progressive component that is accepted by mainstream islam and has a healthy share of the population, or at least 25%. Judaism is better for having orthodox, conservative, and reform, you need all three perspectives in jewish life, it would go a long way to benefiting Islam as well.

Liberals only take up defending these primitives because conservatives hate them, and because all of these countries hate Israel, which is America's closest friend in the area. Sort of an irrational reason to support a group of people who are the antithesis of everything you claim to stand for, but whatever. No enemies on the left, no matter what your rep sheet is.