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03 Jul 2012, 9:13 pm
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Cool story bro.
Perhaps you should refrain commenting in such threads until after you've grown some pubes.
Perhaps he should not cast stones.
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03 Jul 2012, 9:14 pm
Oodain wrote:
the levels of baseless us centric generalizations in this thread just went over 9000!!
sweet. Liberals getting mad because this thread is about hate against liberals.
03 Jul 2012, 9:17 pm
Raptor wrote:
Liberals can only grasp at straws when it comes to any contemporary example of conservative hate or just re-define it to fit whatever's in vogue.
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03 Jul 2012, 9:18 pm
Joker wrote:
Oodain wrote:
the levels of baseless us centric generalizations in this thread just went over 9000!!
sweet. Liberals getting mad because this thread is about hate against liberals.no one is getting mad, well at least not me.
i simply made an observation that this thread has taken a highly us centric turn, meaning that the genralizations uttered here usually dont take the political situation in other countries into account.
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03 Jul 2012, 9:19 pm
Vigilans wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Liberals can only grasp at straws when it comes to any contemporary example of conservative hate or just re-define it to fit whatever's in vogue.
Is that the best you have tell us something that isn't new. Geez I go both ways don't agree with any of that. Hell I can't stand those people because of them. Every christian gets hated when we don't all agree on the same things.
03 Jul 2012, 9:20 pm
Oodain wrote:
Joker wrote:
Oodain wrote:
the levels of baseless us centric generalizations in this thread just went over 9000!!
sweet. Liberals getting mad because this thread is about hate against liberals.no one is getting mad, well at least not me.
i simply made an observation that this thread has taken a highly us centric turn, meaning that the genralizations uttered here usually dont take the political situation in other countries into account.
I don't think most US conservatives take their own country's political situation into account
03 Jul 2012, 9:21 pm
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Liberals can only grasp at straws when it comes to any contemporary example of conservative hate or just re-define it to fit whatever's in vogue.
Is that the best you have tell us something that isn't new. Geez I go both ways don't agree with any of that. Hell I can't stand those people because of them. Every christian gets hated when we don't all agree on the same things.
You all find the same book sacred that says the same exact crap as the guys spewing the hate. Don't like it? Get a new book, or find a way to get the haters to shut the hell up and stow it.
03 Jul 2012, 9:21 pm
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Liberals can only grasp at straws when it comes to any contemporary example of conservative hate or just re-define it to fit whatever's in vogue.
Is that the best you have tell us something that isn't new. Geez I go both ways don't agree with any of that. Hell I can't stand those people because of them. Every christian gets hated when we don't all agree on the same things.
That was what I found in less than 30 seconds of reading Raptor's challenge of providing a contemporary example of conservative hate. So it is, whether you have seen it or not is irrelevant, the fact is that these are hateful actions happening at this time, perpetrated by conservatives.
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03 Jul 2012, 9:24 pm
Oodain wrote:
Joker wrote:
Oodain wrote:
the levels of baseless us centric generalizations in this thread just went over 9000!!
sweet. Liberals getting mad because this thread is about hate against liberals.no one is getting mad, well at least not me.
i simply made an observation that this thread has taken a highly us centric turn, meaning that the genralizations uttered here usually dont take the political situation in other countries into account.
I don't ever see you get mad though.
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03 Jul 2012, 9:25 pm
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Liberals can only grasp at straws when it comes to any contemporary example of conservative hate or just re-define it to fit whatever's in vogue.
Is that the best you have tell us something that isn't new. Geez I go both ways don't agree with any of that. Hell I can't stand those people because of them. Every christian gets hated when we don't all agree on the same things.
That was what I found in less than 30 seconds of reading Raptor's challenge of providing a contemporary example of conservative hate. So it is, whether you have seen it or not is irrelevant, the fact is that these are hateful actions happening at this time, perpetrated by
conservatives.
Yes by Conservatives, Not political independents. This doesn't apply to me.
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03 Jul 2012, 9:27 pm
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Liberals can only grasp at straws when it comes to any contemporary example of conservative hate or just re-define it to fit whatever's in vogue.
Is that the best you have tell us something that isn't new. Geez I go both ways don't agree with any of that. Hell I can't stand those people because of them. Every christian gets hated when we don't all agree on the same things.
You all find the same book sacred that says the same exact crap as the guys spewing the hate. Don't like it? Get a new book, or find a way to get the haters to shut the hell up and stow it.
Um yes we do but I don't hate gays don't agree with those things. Their for I am not one of those people. The common mistake your side makes is that you all think. We agree on the same thing just because our Book says. Things like man on man sex is immoral ect. Try again when you have something relevant to post.
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03 Jul 2012, 9:28 pm
Vigilans wrote:
Oodain wrote:
Joker wrote:
Oodain wrote:
the levels of baseless us centric generalizations in this thread just went over 9000!!
sweet. Liberals getting mad because this thread is about hate against liberals.no one is getting mad, well at least not me.
i simply made an observation that this thread has taken a highly us centric turn, meaning that the genralizations uttered here usually dont take the political situation in other countries into account.
I don't think most US conservatives take their own country's political situation into account
Most of them don't your right about that. But do Candaians take their countr's political situarion into account?
03 Jul 2012, 9:39 pm
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noname_ever wrote:
There is a lot of liberal hate due to the hate the liberals spew themselves. As much as conservatives are criticized for being intolerant, the liberals do the same things about things they dislike.
Is this the "intolerant of intolerance" device?
No, it's more a selective outrage and using the same tactics. It's like one country crying over another using Machiavellian practices in foreign affairs while the crying country does the same thing.
Vigilans wrote:
noname_ever wrote:
Make a bad decision like having a child too early or before you have any real chance of providing an adequate life, extract from those who have more. They don't need all of it. I mean, "life happened" to those poor souls. It wasn't due to their own poor planning or risk mitigation/avoidance. After all, doesn't every have these problems and live paycheck to paycheck? No, we don't.
The religious Conservative birth paradigm does not support abortion, birth control or contraception. When it comes down to it, the right to life ends at birth. After that point, its all up in the air. Abstinence is not a realistic policy to enforce, it is basically burying one's head in the sand. If the politicians are going to force children on people as an unavoidable consequence of their human nature, is it right they leave them high and dry economically? Ultimately it seems to be a self-defeating, redundant loop
Abortion and BC is legal here and is likely to remain legal due to the political s**t storm and the party in power would likely be voted out for a long time. There is also a personal responsibility component that is over looked. I pay for my recreational activities, why am I paying for yours as well? Part of being an adult is learning to be responsible, think ahead, and take corrective action when needed. I notice much of the lower classes failing to do that (when I observe it now and when I was in poverty).
Vigilans wrote:
noname_ever wrote:
There is a belief that (only) certain groups have a right to avoid being offended. I'm not sure when this right was granted to anyone.
I don't agree with selective outrage either. I don't agree with exercising freedom of speech to make a point that one *can* be rude or offensive, but I do believe it is one's right to do so. Even if it is of poor taste, vainglorious and ignoble
I agree as well. However, the "left" in the USA seems to give a free pass to the poor behavior as if it is justified.
Vigilans wrote:
noname_ever wrote:
There is also the banning of things they don't like at all (i.e., gun control). It's too hard for some people to act civilized and not shoot something besides a target, wild life, or in self defense. Instead of blaming the uncivilized f****, it's easier to ban guns. Also, guns are scary.
I don't have strong opinions on gun control, but we have a pretty good gun culture in Canada. I was against the Long-gun registry because I feel it targeted the wrong people and was not worth that money. It is usually illegally acquired guns that are used to commit crimes. Penalizing legitimate gun owners who either use them for sport or decoration is not the right thing to do. I am pretty liberal when it comes to social policies but I intend to own a gun in the next few years, and possibly get into hunting. Maybe its just Canadian liberals?
I think it's more of an urban liberal thing. Most of the USA has a good gun culture. Certain parts of the country are cesspools and guns make it worse. Look at south Chicago. Guns aren't the real problem. Chicago has very strict gun laws (effectively). The gangs (the bunch of uncivilized f***s) killing are. However, it is politically incorrect to blame the poor gang bangers for acting out. Sadly, we can't let them kill each other either.
Other areas of the USA that are poor and have loose gun laws aren't anywhere near as bad as south Chicago.
Also, guns look scary. Especially those made out of black steel and look like rifles.
Vigilans wrote:
noname_ever wrote:
There is also the selective enforcement or hatred directed to certain things but not others. Look at the treatment of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. If you read the books, they're all pretty f**** up. Yet, there is a refusal to call out all of them.
I will call them out *any* major religion if called upon. I am for secularism, and recognize the violent and repressive nature of Islam especially
It isn't politically correct to call out anyone acting poorly in the name of Islam. Call out a Jew or Christian for lesser offenses, but don't dare call out a Muslim acting poorly or you will be called a racist. This is true even if they are acting like uncivilized f***s because they get offended. If I insult Mohammed, the civilized thing to do is to be irritated, not go into a blind rage or sentence someone to death.
That said, many liberals see criticizing Islams as a direct attack on people who are Muslim. The moderates of any religion are usually decent people, but the more zealous practitioners are dangerous when taking the religion literally.
Vigilans wrote:
I think one of the biggest problems with current politics is the mixing of politics with economics. This is unavoidable to an extent, but the way politicians talk about it these days is reminiscent to me of Communist economists in the USSR. Not in that they are far leftist, but in their attempt to cement politics with certain economic ideas. It does not actually have to be this way, and the sooner more people realize this, the better. Economic conservatives will no longer be chained to the corpse that is religious conservatism. For further clarification I consider the Democrats economic conservatives so you don't think I am picking on the GOP exclusively
The USA has essentially a 2 party system. Those who aren't in either faction 100% of the time are forced to choose the lesser of evils. I this election we have the choice of Obama and Obama-light (http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 shows what I mean). Overall it isn't much of a choice. For me, this election is coming down to Obama pissing me off over how he handled Fast and Furious.
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03 Jul 2012, 9:41 pm
noname_ever wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
noname_ever wrote:
There is a lot of liberal hate due to the hate the liberals spew themselves. As much as conservatives are criticized for being intolerant, the liberals do the same things about things they dislike.
Is this the "intolerant of intolerance" device?
No, it's more a selective outrage and using the same tactics. It's like one country crying over another using Machiavellian practices in foreign affairs while the crying country does the same thing.
Vigilans wrote:
noname_ever wrote:
Make a bad decision like having a child too early or before you have any real chance of providing an adequate life, extract from those who have more. They don't need all of it. I mean, "life happened" to those poor souls. It wasn't due to their own poor planning or risk mitigation/avoidance. After all, doesn't every have these problems and live paycheck to paycheck? No, we don't.
The religious Conservative birth paradigm does not support abortion, birth control or contraception. When it comes down to it, the right to life ends at birth. After that point, its all up in the air. Abstinence is not a realistic policy to enforce, it is basically burying one's head in the sand. If the politicians are going to force children on people as an unavoidable consequence of their human nature, is it right they leave them high and dry economically? Ultimately it seems to be a self-defeating, redundant loop
Abortion and BC is legal here and is likely to remain legal due to the political sh** storm and the party in power would likely be voted out for a long time. There is also a personal responsibility component that is over looked. I pay for my recreational activities, why am I paying for yours as well? Part of being an adult is learning to be responsible, think ahead, and take corrective action when needed. I notice much of the lower classes failing to do that (when I observe it now and when I was in poverty).
Vigilans wrote:
noname_ever wrote:
There is a belief that (only) certain groups have a right to avoid being offended. I'm not sure when this right was granted to anyone.
I don't agree with selective outrage either. I don't agree with exercising freedom of speech to make a point that one *can* be rude or offensive, but I do believe it is one's right to do so. Even if it is of poor taste, vainglorious and ignoble
I agree as well. However, the "left" in the USA seems to give a free pass to the poor behavior as if it is justified.
Vigilans wrote:
noname_ever wrote:
There is also the banning of things they don't like at all (i.e., gun control). It's too hard for some people to act civilized and not shoot something besides a target, wild life, or in self defense. Instead of blaming the uncivilized f****, it's easier to ban guns. Also, guns are scary.
I don't have strong opinions on gun control, but we have a pretty good gun culture in Canada. I was against the Long-gun registry because I feel it targeted the wrong people and was not worth that money. It is usually illegally acquired guns that are used to commit crimes. Penalizing legitimate gun owners who either use them for sport or decoration is not the right thing to do. I am pretty liberal when it comes to social policies but I intend to own a gun in the next few years, and possibly get into hunting. Maybe its just Canadian liberals?
I think it's more of an urban liberal thing. Most of the USA has a good gun culture. Certain parts of the country are cesspools and guns make it worse. Look at south Chicago. Guns aren't the real problem. Chicago has very strict gun laws (effectively). The gangs (the bunch of uncivilized f****) killing are. However, it is politically incorrect to blame the poor gang bangers for acting out. Sadly, we can't let them kill each other either.
Other areas of the USA that are poor and have loose gun laws aren't anywhere near as bad as south Chicago.
Also, guns look scary. Especially those made out of black steel and look like rifles.
Vigilans wrote:
noname_ever wrote:
There is also the selective enforcement or hatred directed to certain things but not others. Look at the treatment of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. If you read the books, they're all pretty f**** up. Yet, there is a refusal to call out all of them.
I will call them out *any* major religion if called upon. I am for secularism, and recognize the violent and repressive nature of Islam especially
It isn't politically correct to call out anyone acting poorly in the name of Islam. Call out a Jew or Christian for lesser offenses, but don't dare call out a Muslim acting poorly or you will be called a racist. This is true even if they are acting like uncivilized f**** because they get offended. If I insult Mohammed, the civilized thing to do is to be irritated, not go into a blind rage or sentence someone to death.
That said, many liberals see criticizing Islams as a direct attack on people who are Muslim. The moderates of any religion are usually decent people, but the more zealous practitioners are dangerous when taking the religion literally.
Vigilans wrote:
I think one of the biggest problems with current politics is the mixing of politics with economics. This is unavoidable to an extent, but the way politicians talk about it these days is reminiscent to me of Communist economists in the USSR. Not in that they are far leftist, but in their attempt to cement politics with certain economic ideas. It does not actually have to be this way, and the sooner more people realize this, the better. Economic conservatives will no longer be chained to the corpse that is religious conservatism. For further clarification I consider the Democrats economic conservatives so you don't think I am picking on the GOP exclusively
The USA has essentially a 2 party system. Those who aren't in either faction 100% of the time are forced to choose the lesser of evils. I this election we have the choice of Obama and Obama-light (http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 shows what I mean). Overall it isn't much of a choice. For me, this election is coming down to Obama pissing me off over how he handled Fast and Furious.
Your wasting your time debating with him.
03 Jul 2012, 9:45 pm
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Liberals can only grasp at straws when it comes to any contemporary example of conservative hate or just re-define it to fit whatever's in vogue.
Is that the best you have tell us something that isn't new. Geez I go both ways don't agree with any of that. Hell I can't stand those people because of them. Every christian gets hated when we don't all agree on the same things.
That was what I found in less than 30 seconds of reading Raptor's challenge of providing a contemporary example of conservative hate. So it is, whether you have seen it or not is irrelevant, the fact is that these are hateful actions happening at this time, perpetrated by conservatives.
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That was what I found in less than 30 seconds of reading Raptor's challenge of providing a contemporary example of conservative hate.
That wasn't a challenge but a simple statement that still stands.
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So it is, whether you have seen it or not is irrelevant, the fact is that these are hateful actions happening at this time, perpetrated by conservatives.
I don't see them attacking or killing anyone. Causing hurt feelings isn't worthy of being called hate but, hey, to each his own.........
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