What do MRAs have against France or the beach?

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25 Nov 2012, 11:27 am

"feminists" don't dislike men. some women dislike men (just like some men dislike women), but it isn't related strictly to their ideologies. a man doesn't have to be an MRA to hate women, for example. and it would be unfair to assume that MRAs do dislike women based on their affiliation with that group.


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25 Nov 2012, 11:50 am

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I don't just mean pro-woman, I mean the sanctification of women. The western left believes that women are better than men and blames men exclusively for 100% of the worlds problems; even the problems facing women in western countries. Being raised in a center left family and in a very liberal city(as in modern post-60s liberalism), I was bombarded with messages about how women are "good" and men are "bad" until they prove otherwise. A lot of this is the legacy of second wave feminism which peaked in the late 60s and early 70(AKA women's lib) I've noticed that anyone and everyone who questions or dares to criticize women's lib is ridiculed and chastised as a "misogynist". It's like a very extreme version of political correctness. :evil:



And here's another reason why I f*cking hate France: Read it and weep.


The far left defines "tolerance" and "bigotry" as alignment and non-alignment, respectively, with their ideas on social issues. This goes for anything.

My big issue with France: their uber-passive foreign policy (the whole "give the terrorists what they want" approach)


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25 Nov 2012, 2:02 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
"feminists" don't dislike men. some women dislike men (just like some men dislike women), but it isn't related strictly to their ideologies. a man doesn't have to be an MRA to hate women, for example. and it would be unfair to assume that MRAs do dislike women based on their affiliation with that group.



Well hyperlexian, you really have to take a closer look at why people adopt the ideologies that they do.(Especially those who weren't brought up being indoctrinated with them by their families or taught such in school). Regarding feminist women, the vast majority of them I have run into were neither raised nor indoctrinated with this ideology while growing up. They discovered it and subscribed to it on their own accord.
I'm no expert of feminism,but I am not entirely ignorant of it either.There are feminists and then there are feminists. That is, those who truly believe in equality and those who seek to promote women's interests and put women's needs and wants first even at men's expense.



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25 Nov 2012, 2:07 pm

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hyperlexian wrote:
"feminists" don't dislike men. some women dislike men (just like some men dislike women), but it isn't related strictly to their ideologies. a man doesn't have to be an MRA to hate women, for example. and it would be unfair to assume that MRAs do dislike women based on their affiliation with that group.



Well hyperlexian, you really have to take a closer look at why people adopt the ideologies that they do.(Especially those who weren't brought up being indoctrinated with them by their families or taught such in school). Regarding feminist women, the vast majority of them I have run into were neither raised nor indoctrinated with this ideology while growing up. They discovered it and subscribed to it on their own accord.
I'm no expert of feminism,but I am not entirely ignorant of it either.There are feminists and then there are feminists. That is, those who truly believe in equality and those who seek to promote women's interests and put women's needs and wants first even at men's expense.

for the sake of argument, let's say that such feminists exist - the ones that put their needs first. that doesn't make them man-haters. wanting to be above men or have their own needs met first doesn't by default mean that they dislike men. just like MRAs don't necessarily hate women, even though they want to put women down below men. wanting to have power over a group (or wanting to be served over them) doesn't necessarily mean that you hate them. does a CEO hate his employees if he chose to have power over them? obviously not.

but that's just for the sake of argument. you're chasing will-o-wisps again with your talk of the strawman feminists.


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25 Nov 2012, 2:10 pm

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hyperlexian wrote:
"feminists" don't dislike men. some women dislike men (just like some men dislike women), but it isn't related strictly to their ideologies. a man doesn't have to be an MRA to hate women, for example. and it would be unfair to assume that MRAs do dislike women based on their affiliation with that group.



Well hyperlexian, you really have to take a closer look at why people adopt the ideologies that they do.(Especially those who weren't brought up being indoctrinated with them by their families or taught such in school). Regarding feminist women, the vast majority of them I have run into were neither raised nor indoctrinated with this ideology while growing up. They discovered it and subscribed to it on their own accord.
I'm no expert of feminism,but I am not entirely ignorant of it either.There are feminists and then there are feminists. That is, those who truly believe in equality and those who seek to promote women's interests and put women's needs and wants first even at men's expense.

for the sake of argument, let's say that such feminists exist - the ones that put their needs first. that doesn't make them man-haters. wanting to be above men or have their own needs met first doesn't by default mean that they dislike men. just like MRAs don't necessarily hate women, even though they want to put women down below men. wanting to have power over a group (or wanting to be served over them) doesn't necessarily mean that you hate them. does a CEO hate his employees if he chose to have power over them? obviously not.

but that's just for the sake of argument. you're chasing will-o-wisps again with your talk of the strawman feminists.




Well the do exist. But then again, as you pointed out, it's probably more to do with their own personal issues than their ideology. But it's pretty clear to me that the separatist feminism is populated by women who *do* dislike men(or at the very least they feel threatened by men)and wish to live apart from them.



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25 Nov 2012, 4:28 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
"feminists" don't dislike men. some women dislike men (just like some men dislike women), but it isn't related strictly to their ideologies. a man doesn't have to be an MRA to hate women, for example. and it would be unfair to assume that MRAs do dislike women based on their affiliation with that group.


He isn't talking about mainstream feminists, he's talking about the extremist ones (aka feminazis).


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25 Nov 2012, 4:29 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
"feminists" don't dislike men. some women dislike men (just like some men dislike women), but it isn't related strictly to their ideologies. a man doesn't have to be an MRA to hate women, for example. and it would be unfair to assume that MRAs do dislike women based on their affiliation with that group.


He isn't talking about mainstream feminists, he's talking about the extremist ones (aka feminazis).

which ones? there aren't any here, and i don't see any on feminist sites that i frequent. they seem to be a made up animal.


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25 Nov 2012, 4:35 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
"feminists" don't dislike men. some women dislike men (just like some men dislike women), but it isn't related strictly to their ideologies. a man doesn't have to be an MRA to hate women, for example. and it would be unfair to assume that MRAs do dislike women based on their affiliation with that group.


He isn't talking about mainstream feminists, he's talking about the extremist ones (aka feminazis).

which ones? there aren't any here, and i don't see any on feminist sites that i frequent. they seem to be a made up animal.


Which ones aren't here? mainstream feminists or feminazis?

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25 Nov 2012, 4:37 pm

lol feminazis


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25 Nov 2012, 5:03 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
"feminists" don't dislike men. some women dislike men (just like some men dislike women), but it isn't related strictly to their ideologies. a man doesn't have to be an MRA to hate women, for example. and it would be unfair to assume that MRAs do dislike women based on their affiliation with that group.


He isn't talking about mainstream feminists, he's talking about the extremist ones (aka feminazis).

which ones? there aren't any here, and i don't see any on feminist sites that i frequent. they seem to be a made up animal.


Surely you've heard of the womyns music festival which not only bars all human males over the age of 5 from attending but also bars trans-women(MTF transsexuals).

As for feminazis, a starting place to find them is at radfemhub. And here's another blog based on the organization founded by real life feminazi Valerie Solana. You know, the one who shot Andy Warhol. And there's cathy brennan, a self-proclaimed "radical feminist" and anti-trans activist. I could go on, but I am simply trying to demonstrate that feminism really does have a lunatic fringe.



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26 Nov 2012, 5:14 am

Sorry, but thats not about feminism, its about sick people like all extremists. You do not become a extremist because of a topic which you are really interested in, you become extremist because of problems with your self esteem which you cling on a topic, so instead fighting for your self esteem you link it by fighting for the alias topic. That extremists of all kind are nuts and are of no use to anyone around them, i think everyone of us knows. If its about Nazis, if its about religious extremists of every religion, if its about men, women, a countries politics and so on... The extremist sees himself as an idol of the topic he thinks to represent, when in fact he´s nothing but a pest to the topic, making other people afraid. So i am not religious on my own, but i think the teachings of jesus are a good one, and know a lot of people who i do respect for living in and acting in a way i fully respect. Helping others, being kind and so on... But these never make it to the news if they are not mother Theresa. In the news there are only the freaky extremists present, if they are lousy irish idiots bombing 5 year old school kid for the name of god, idiotic muslim extremists doing the same, radical antifeminists, killing their families because of their wife divorcing, radical feminists, telling lies to convince a judge to forbid the father to visit his children.

Lets not forget that for every of these extremists as*holes, just abusing the topic they think to protect, stantds 1000s of normal people who are able to negotiate their different thoughts to each other. :)



26 Nov 2012, 10:54 am

Schneekugel wrote:
Sorry, but thats not about feminism, its about sick people like all extremists. You do not become a extremist because of a topic which you are really interested in, you become extremist because of problems with your self esteem which you cling on a topic, so instead fighting for your self esteem you link it by fighting for the alias topic. That extremists of all kind are nuts and are of no use to anyone around them, i think everyone of us knows. If its about Nazis, if its about religious extremists of every religion, if its about men, women, a countries politics and so on... The extremist sees himself as an idol of the topic he thinks to represent, when in fact he´s nothing but a pest to the topic, making other people afraid. So i am not religious on my own, but i think the teachings of jesus are a good one, and know a lot of people who i do respect for living in and acting in a way i fully respect. Helping others, being kind and so on... But these never make it to the news if they are not mother Theresa. In the news there are only the freaky extremists present, if they are lousy irish idiots bombing 5 year old school kid for the name of god, idiotic muslim extremists doing the same, radical antifeminists, killing their families because of their wife divorcing, radical feminists, telling lies to convince a judge to forbid the father to visit his children.




Might I add: A big reason why people become extremists is because they feel powerless. Extremism is attractive to the weak because it's something that normal people are fearful of(or at least take seriously) and people with low self-esteem who suffer from feelings of powerlessness are drawn to it because it makes them feel powerful.



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26 Nov 2012, 11:10 am

Well, my aunt sexually abused me, and she forced me to commit acts of bestiality when I was a young child, just because she thought it was funny. She essentially got away with her acts just because she was a woman. In fact, my mother and sister went as far as to claim that I brought all of that upon myself. That is the female equivalent of the attitudes of the website linked at the start of this thread.

I know, things like this can go both ways. Women faced hate like this for an eternity. It's wrong either way it goes.



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26 Nov 2012, 2:00 pm

right, so a hypocritical divorcee blames other women for failed marriages and works outside the home while telling us not to. gotcha.

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2 ... e-careers/

she also can't read statistics.


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26 Nov 2012, 5:18 pm

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It is funny. Cause early this morning I was about to post this link as an example of Fox News idiocy and the overall stupidity and bigotry between the people that tout for so-called men's rights.

But then I regretted it. I thought to myself "nay. Besides of Inuyasha nobody in WP.net would take Fox News seriously and quite frankly it is a dead horse".

So, thanks for the lesson...

It is a bit dumb to even claim that there is a war on men specifically in a country in which congressmen still get to discuss whether or not they can decide whether women should be pregnant or do the ultra so-so progressive and "radical" to them thing of letting them choose.

So I will begin linking to this: http://jezebel.com/5963161/fox-news-pub ... war-on-men

Now, let me say a couple of things:
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It’s the women who lose. Not only are they saddled with the consequences of sex, by dismissing male nature they’re forever seeking a balanced life. The fact is, women need men’s linear career goals – they need men to pick up the slack at the office – in order to live the balanced life they seek.

Fortunately, there is good news: women have the power to turn everything around. All they have to do is surrender to their nature – their femininity



All of this moronic article is based on the authors unfounded assumptions about "feminity" and what women's nature is supposed to be. I don't really understand why are we still given forum to idiots like this.


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